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Re: HP SitePrint

#101

Post by paranoidrobot »

It's really amazing to see how far HP has fallen. They used to make brilliant printers that were top-quality, easy to service, and overall met the whole "Just Works" thing.

Then some time in the late 90s/early 2000s they let the bean counters at it, and they've become the poster child of terrible product design optimised to extract the maximum revenue at all costs from customers.

I honestly don't care how revolutionary or awesome a product is - if it's from HP I'm staying away, and would recommend everyone else to do so. The company deserves to die.

Re: HP SitePrint

#102

Post by jedberg »

ghshephard wrote: post #80

About 20 years ago I was working in IT, and I was responsible for the physical build out (from a shell) of 599 North Mathilda, Sunnyvale - The foundations and outer walls/roof were up - but nothing inside. I had responsibility (working with consultants who did this for a living) to work with the project manager, and architect/GC. All of the datacenters (back when companies put data-centers in their buildings), IDFs,…

Hah, I briefly worked in that building! Never dealt with the MDF/IDF though, was just doing software at that point.

Re: HP SitePrint

#103

Post by rcleveng »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #8

Take your pick: If you give it a big job, it freezes halfway and just spins its wheels as fast as it can until you unplug it. It refuses to paint yellow lines when it's out of blue paint. It asks you for feedback after doing any and every job. It doesn't have good Linux support. It has no off button. The only modes are printing, standby at half power, or unplugged. When you want to just print a small blue square on t…

That sounds just like my HP printer at home, I wonder if it's the same internals.

Just need to add that after being on for a day you get a blue screen with some hex numbers on it.

If it's been on for less than a day, you have to power cycle it for it to connect to apple devices.

Finally if you power cycle it, it complains about being power cycled incorrectly and does nothing for 10 minutes.

Re: HP SitePrint

#104

Post by brudgers »

uqual wrote: post #87
brudgers wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The concern is not the course, but the ability to adjust a layout due to deviations from the plan due to normal construction errors. For example a pipe might not be in the location shown on plan for many reasons ranging from simple human error to a delta between the plan location when the pipe was layed and the time the robot got its data…keep in mind that when the pipe went in there was only dirt, not anything to ac…

And it's good to catch that error ASAP. But at that point it's back to engineering to figure out what to do (leave the pipe where it is and adjust around it _or_ move the pipe - possibly cutting concrete and perhaps untensioning/retensioning post-tensioned cables at substantial delay/cost) or move the piece of equipment that the penetration is serving. One nice thing about automation like this is that the "as built"…

each "unmovable" pipe/conduit etc that will end up penetrating a slab is already carefully verified before the next step is taken (such as placing concrete)

My experience is as an architect.

The CAD file isn’t the building no matter how much everyone might wish it were.

Even if the plans were the building odds of everybody using the same plan revision all the time is just about zero.

And most of the time, nobody is gonna pay for a super accurate as-built BIM. Because the point of the exercise is a certificate of occupancy.

Re: HP SitePrint

#105

Post by tdeck »

paranoidrobot wrote: post #99
1970-01-01 wrote: post #8

Take your pick: If you give it a big job, it freezes halfway and just spins its wheels as fast as it can until you unplug it. It refuses to paint yellow lines when it's out of blue paint. It asks you for feedback after doing any and every job. It doesn't have good Linux support. It has no off button. The only modes are printing, standby at half power, or unplugged. When you want to just print a small blue square on t…

It gets half-way through the job, but runs out of paint. You load the new paint but instead of continuing, it fills the entire site with a big test print that uses 10% of the paint. Randomly, it'll run a head cleaning cycle that involves spraying large amounts of paint into the neighbour's driveway before cleaning itself on their lawn.

Seems like a missed opportunity. Why not fill a built in sponge with that paint instead, and when the sponge is fully saturated it's time to throw out the whole machine and buy another one?

Re: HP SitePrint

#106

Post by tdeck »

jvanderbot wrote: post #63
asibahi wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am an architect who worked as a contractor and as a consultant and I made an account here just to comment on this. When you found out the builders did that, what you should have done is stopped the work and have them correct their mistake on their own dime. This is an unforgivable mistake and a team of professional should never make something like that. Obviously I am not in your shoes, but this is insane to me. An…

This seems like the just-world response. But how can one force this? If they just say "No" you end up taking them to court and delaying the construction of your house. You endanger the contracts for downstream work. I had a landscaper screw up just about everything they could building a retaining wall, and they couldn't even get me an extra bag of grass seed after the fact.

Also im the US builders routinely create a separate shell corporation for each job so it can simply go bankrupt if they get sued rather than paying out.

Re: HP SitePrint

#107

Post by NuclearPM »

Hackbraten wrote: post #58

I read the marketing blurb twice but still have no idea what this is for. It draws on the floor for construction projects? Why? Either there's no building or there's a building. If there's no building, then where does it draw on? If the building is already there, then what's the drawing for?

I’m trying to put myself in your shoes here, but I don’t understand how you wouldn’t know that (no building) to (building) isn’t a single step.

Re: HP SitePrint

#108

Post by _carbyau_ »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #47
nevi-me wrote: post #31

I could have benefited from this in the construction of our house. Riddled with inaccuracies, the engineer signed off on the foundations, but we found out when the walls were up that the builders used the internal dimensions as exterior dimensions. So our house is smaller by ~250mm on each side. We had to make so many compromises and wastages as a result. Bathrooms now smaller if we want to keep other rooms the same,…

Translating for folks not natively familiar with millimeters - this is 25cm, or about ~10 inches. Doesn't sound like a lot, but you're losing a foot and a half across a dimension of a house. That's very easily into the "Bathtub doesn't fit" territory.

The kicker is "on each side".

So the house is now [50cm | half a metre | 20 inches] shorter length overall in "both" commonly rectangular dimensions.

Take any room in your house and remove that much from it and tell me it doesn't detract from the room....

Re: HP SitePrint

#109

Post by quantumcotton »

It's actually not bad the issue is you need perfect prep and conditions.

We don't pour concrete underneath covers very often. They need it to be perfectly broom, swept and clean. They also need to cover over it just in case to moisture humidity gets down. Once it prints it does stay.

Dusty is a little bit better. The benefit is HP works off of Trimble so if you're in that ecosystem.

Trimble changed their business model so they've increased their profits but they haven't gained any more clients. Essentially they've learned how to double how much they make off of everyone.

You can shoot control off some of these generic models now that cost like four grand and they work just as good. That's less than Trimble subscription cost. I can only imagine the hp bundle coming soon.

Re: HP SitePrint

#110

Post by paranoidrobot »

tdeck wrote: post #105
paranoidrobot wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It gets half-way through the job, but runs out of paint. You load the new paint but instead of continuing, it fills the entire site with a big test print that uses 10% of the paint. Randomly, it'll run a head cleaning cycle that involves spraying large amounts of paint into the neighbour's driveway before cleaning itself on their lawn.

Seems like a missed opportunity. Why not fill a built in sponge with that paint instead, and when the sponge is fully saturated it's time to throw out the whole machine and buy another one?

Lets not leave the Service people out, they want to get a bonus this year, too.

So make the sponge replaceable, but only with a field maintenance call-out. The sponge unit will have an NFC chip in it that if it's removed will lock the unit out until a Technician access code is entered to restore the unit.

We can sell it as a whole periodic maintenance thing - give the service guy a can of air-duster and a roll of paper towel to wipe the thing off.

(I feel dirty even writing this because I'm sure someone is taking notes and thinking these are great ideas)

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