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Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by pbhjpbhj » Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 11:18 PM UTC

ceejayoz wrote: post #80

ghshephard wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like they are overlooking a market as well by excluding them. From: http://www.opera.com/press/faq/ "How many people are using Opera? Today, more than 275 million people are using Opera every month."

And yet, 0.14% of the folks hitting our servers are using it. If 10% of the world's Internet users are on Opera, where are they?

I use Opera Mini (or is it mobile?) on my old phone - they have a system that routes request through their own caches that downscales/downsamples images, removes cruft, etc. before the pages hit the mobile device. I imagine that means they get under-represented in hit figures (but not by that much).

Looking at hits is doing it wrong - profit is where it's at, what proportion of profits come from Opera users.

[For example, hypothetically, they might be highly paid trend setters and amount for a disproportionately large profit share on a fashion site or such.]

Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by electic » Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 11:18 PM UTC

This site seems overly designed. It's so badly overly designed that my eyes hurt. That is why sites like facebook and twitter do well, they have predictable design that prevents a lot of rapid eye movements from top to the bottom of a screen to take in content.

I'll pass.

Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by recursive » Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 11:18 PM UTC

rdevnull wrote: post #56

lordlarm wrote: post #48

As a computer scientist and an Opera user this actually insults me: http://i.imgur.com/7k0bN.png Ironically Opera was the one who proposed the -tag which this site uses for it's rotating LP, in 2007. [1] Way to exclude users. [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video#History_of_.3Cvideo...

well seriously thou why would someone use opera ...

Maybe they wanted to browse the web?

Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by thenomad » Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 11:18 PM UTC

ceejayoz wrote: post #80

ghshephard wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like they are overlooking a market as well by excluding them. From: http://www.opera.com/press/faq/ "How many people are using Opera? Today, more than 275 million people are using Opera every month."

And yet, 0.14% of the folks hitting our servers are using it. If 10% of the world's Internet users are on Opera, where are they?

I'm showing Opera as 1.61%. Yeah, still not exactly massive.

Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by reddiric » Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 11:18 PM UTC

lordlarm wrote: post #48

As a computer scientist and an Opera user this actually insults me: http://i.imgur.com/7k0bN.png Ironically Opera was the one who proposed the -tag which this site uses for it's rotating LP, in 2007. [1] Way to exclude users. [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video#History_of_.3Cvideo...

About to post the exact same thing

http://i.imgur.com/DO5Kb.png

And what's with the condescending list? Excuse my vulgarity but the page managed to be insulting, clueless, and factually inaccurate all at the same time. Here's how it reads to me:

a) Fuck you.

b) Fuck you.

c) Yes I do, a big technology company where I can install whatever software I need working on harder technical problems than getting Myspace working cross-browser and I use Opera at home too so fuck you.

Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by matmann2001 » Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 11:20 PM UTC

lordlarm wrote: post #48

As a computer scientist and an Opera user this actually insults me: http://i.imgur.com/7k0bN.png Ironically Opera was the one who proposed the -tag which this site uses for it's rotating LP, in 2007. [1] Way to exclude users. [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video#History_of_.3Cvideo...

I was also rather put off by this condescending message. Excuse me for using a browser that provides an enjoyable Internet experience.

Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by lazyjones » Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 11:21 PM UTC

notatoad wrote: post #68

lordlarm wrote: post #48

As a computer scientist and an Opera user this actually insults me: http://i.imgur.com/7k0bN.png Ironically Opera was the one who proposed the -tag which this site uses for it's rotating LP, in 2007. [1] Way to exclude users. [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video#History_of_.3Cvideo...

Opera doesn't support websockets. I'm sure some socket.IO fans will tell me that's not a big deal, but it kind of is. modern browsers support websockets. and i know, this demo doesn't use it and will work fine in opera if you spoof the UA, but it's a lot easier to develop if you pick a feature set you're going to support, and skim out any browsers that don't support that feature set.

Excuses, excuses ... Detecting required features by browser identification is not only so 90's, it's downright ridiculous.

All it takes to detect websockets is:

if ('WebSocket' in window) { /* Web Sockets supported / } else { / Web Sockets not supported */ }

Ironically, this was taken from:

http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/introducing-web-sockets/

Also, every web developer with half a brain can use https://github.com/gimite/web-socket-js instead of locking out users unnecessarily by matching the User-Agent.

Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by syassami » Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 11:21 PM UTC

espadagroup wrote: post #10

I'm actually pretty impressed with this both in their direction and design. Focusing on the creative producers was what they should have done in the first place.

My thoughts exactly, this is something very refreshing/futuristic and after showing to friends who are both artists/non-artists they love the new UI. Congrats myspace.

Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by pbhjpbhj » Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 11:23 PM UTC

rdevnull wrote: post #56

lordlarm wrote: post #48

As a computer scientist and an Opera user this actually insults me: http://i.imgur.com/7k0bN.png Ironically Opera was the one who proposed the -tag which this site uses for it's rotating LP, in 2007. [1] Way to exclude users. [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video#History_of_.3Cvideo...

well seriously thou why would someone use opera ...

I've always found Opera to be innovative and easy to use. They seem to get their default styling right too.

Personally I use Firefox as my main browser but that's because their web dev tools won me over first and now I'm entrenched.

Sync between a very good mobile and a desktop browser would seem to be a good reason - if their Android browser didn't force close on me so much I'd be tempted towards using Opera on the desktop for non-dev stuff.

Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by lazyjones » Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 11:24 PM UTC

luriel wrote: post #100

lordlarm wrote: post #48

As a computer scientist and an Opera user this actually insults me: http://i.imgur.com/7k0bN.png Ironically Opera was the one who proposed the -tag which this site uses for it's rotating LP, in 2007. [1] Way to exclude users. [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video#History_of_.3Cvideo...

The Web 2.0 craze is leading us back to the "Best viewed with" insanity of the 90's. And is only going to get worse, with WebGL is not just "Sorry your browser is not supported, please download a different one." , but "Your video card drivers are not supported, buy new hardware and/or install a different Operating System"

We've had this all the time since the 90's with Flash being required, only we couldn't tell because it was duct-taped onto all major browsers all that time.

Turn off Flash and see how many sites require it (because of bad codec choice / lack of alternative ways of viewing embedded videos, because of crappy ads without fallback images so you get popups/warnings about missing plugins etc.).