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Re: Most expensive laptops

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Post by quickthrowman »

welferkj wrote: post #36
mschuster91 wrote: post #33

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I've come across a few in the past, these 18 inch giant-ass "desktop replacement" / gamer things that had insanely large power bricks. Been a few years but I think they all had desktop GPU chips from NV. But I think it's not possible to do any more, not with any high-power card that is... the RTX 5090 has a TDP of 600-ish watts, you can neither get in that kind of power into a laptop, even at 24 volt that's still 25…

That's not the case. A 5060 has a 145W TDP, which is borderline feasible. A 5090 is 575W, which is approaching furnace territory.

That’s still about two orders of magnitude less than an electric furnace (100A at 240V single-phase is 24kW)

Resistive heat is really crappy, a 7-8kW heat pump could replace the hypothetical 24kW furnace.

1Wh = 3.412141633 BTU/hr

Re: Most expensive laptops

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Post by BizarroLand »

constantcrying wrote: post #62

These HP Fury Laptops and many others on that list are such a joke. A somewhat capable CPU, sometimes just an integrated GPU slapped in a cheap chassis with mediocre build quality. Sold at absurd prices. My employer is "getting scammed" by HP continuously by paying for this absolute crap. The workstations aren't any better. Nowadays the "business laptops" you get cost the same as a MacBook, have a bad, barely usable,…

HP Fury laptops have a metal shell, 16" or 18" screen and the cheapest one comes with an 8gb Blackwell P1000 for about $2600.

https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/hp-zbook-fury-g1i-16-inch-...

Also, you should never be paying the MSRP unless you're getting a kickback. Your employer may be stupid but that is not the default.

Re: Most expensive laptops

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Post by cma »

dragonwriter wrote: post #40
cma wrote: post #19

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I don't think they do it anymore, but for a while nvidia laptop GPUs of the same model number had more cuda cores to match the desktop model of same number, with the laptop's lower clock.

The 3080 Ti laptop card has fewer CUDA cores but more VRAM than the desktop version.

I think it was on the 2000 and maybe 1000 series.

Re: Most expensive laptops

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Post by commandersaki »

constantcrying wrote: post #62

These HP Fury Laptops and many others on that list are such a joke. A somewhat capable CPU, sometimes just an integrated GPU slapped in a cheap chassis with mediocre build quality. Sold at absurd prices. My employer is "getting scammed" by HP continuously by paying for this absolute crap. The workstations aren't any better. Nowadays the "business laptops" you get cost the same as a MacBook, have a bad, barely usable,…

I could be completely wrong about this, but my hunch was the HP Zbook were mobile workstations and you could rip out the wireless components, so I thought this could be useful if you wanted something portable in say a SCIF.

Re: Most expensive laptops

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Post by 7bit »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #92
7bit wrote: post #65

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> 105 euro per month is a very reasonable cost from a business point of view and not at all expensive. People think nothing of spending the same on LLM tokens, or getting a lease car for their commutes (typically spending >2-3x per month). But when it comes to laptops, people suddenly become irrationally frugal. If you use your laptop to produce things and benefit from having a fast laptop in any way for that, don't…

3000 * 5K = 15M per month in salaries. We can argue if 90K is worth it or not. Depends how good the people are. But it's not a lot of money relatively speaking. And 5K is not a lot of salary. We're probably talking 2-3x the amount. And you are also spending on buildings and infrastructure, software licenses for things like Office, Slack, etc. Not saying every company should blindly buy big laptops for any software de…

I put that in relation with the performance a device delivers, you again argue only about cost. This is point less. Enjoy your day.

Re: Most expensive laptops

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Post by roryirvine »

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #71
parkaboy wrote: post #58

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I don't think they officially support leasing to individuals directly, but it's very easy to setup a leasing/biz account with them as a business. I think any Apple store has a POC there that can help / see: https://www.apple.com/shop/finance/business-financing You can very easily setup an LLC and obtain an EIN. It's been a minute since I've setup an Apple financing account, so I don't recall what they require on the…

If the laptop is stolen are you on the hook for the whole thing minus some depreciation?

Yes, but that's what insurance is for - pretty much every business will have business & office equipment insurance, which should cover it.

Re: Most expensive laptops

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Post by vladvasiliu »

mschuster91 wrote: post #56
welferkj wrote: post #36

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That's not the case. A 5060 has a 145W TDP, which is borderline feasible. A 5090 is 575W, which is approaching furnace territory.

Thanks, fixed. I intended the 5090 indeed but haven't had a coffee. Anyway, even the 145W of a 5060 are... an ugly challenge to meet. The 2019 16-inch MacBook Pro for example can happily guzzle 90W when you max out the i9 CPU and the dGPU and gets uncomfortably warm after a few minutes once the aluminium case goes into thermal equilibrium. Add in even just a 60W CPU to match with a 5060 and you're looking at double t…

Weren't those MacBooks relatively thin – the same as the OG retinas of 2012-2013?

A friend of mine has an Asus with some Nvidia GPU (3070? not sure), a 5th gen ryzen 9 and a 200+W power brick.

That thing is twice as thick as my 2013 MBP and the case is plastic. It also has more vents than my mbp, each of which has more surface area than all those on the mbp combined. I also suspect the fans are bigger.

He actually bought it to play games on it and never complained about performance dropping after a while. So I suppose it manages to move the 200 W of heat somehow.

Re: Most expensive laptops

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Post by vladvasiliu »

marcogarces wrote: post #41

Most people look at computers as a commodity that needs to perfectly balance performance and price; most really expensive computers usually are acquired by professionals that do need the specs and within small time, it gets paid off quickly. I have a 16" Macbook Pro M2 with 96GB of RAM. Costs without VAT around €4k, but a client paid half of it as a one year retainer for my work, so the device ended up costing me €2k…

There's also the fact that usually, a higher-end machine will have better components that are more comfortable to use. Most brand-new "enterprise" computers we have at work have much worse screens, keyboards and touchpads than my 2013 mbp. I know many people don't seem to care, so that also has to be considered.

Sure, they cost maybe half as much in nominal terms, but seeing how they fall apart even though I take good care of them, I would have needed to replace them so often that I'm not even sure I would have come out ahead. And, at the same time, I would have always had a terrible experience.

Now, I haven't used that Mac in a few years, ever since I stopped going to the office and it stopped being supported. But even over a 7-year period, when I used it daily and carted it around daily, I'm pretty sure it's still an all-around better investment.

Re: Most expensive laptops

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Post by 542354234235 »

7bit wrote: post #106
jillesvangurp wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3000 * 5K = 15M per month in salaries. We can argue if 90K is worth it or not. Depends how good the people are. But it's not a lot of money relatively speaking. And 5K is not a lot of salary. We're probably talking 2-3x the amount. And you are also spending on buildings and infrastructure, software licenses for things like Office, Slack, etc. Not saying every company should blindly buy big laptops for any software de…

I put that in relation with the performance a device delivers, you again argue only about cost. This is point less. Enjoy your day.

>30 seconds vs 3-4 minutes on my previous laptop (14" M1 16GB) is a big deal. It was more constrained for memory (swapping) and CPU and just ran a bit slower. Still reasonable. But a 7x improvement is massive for me. Times 10 or so per day adds up to really significant time savings. If you compile stuff, run expensive test suites, or whatever: you could use a fast laptop.

This was in their original comment. So, when you say they are only arguing cost, I really have no idea what you are talking about.

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