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The Pendulum Swings, Again

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Re: The Pendulum Swings, Again

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Post by jlgreco »

Nrsolis wrote: post #93
stan_rogers wrote: post #88

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I believe that was the point -- Apple has "decent" and "Retina-quality display" covered, and that may be somewhat lacking (in the GP's opinion) elsewhere, while the lack of upgradability on the Apple side is an incentive to switch. Get all three requirements covered in a single machine, though...

Right. That was my point. I'm not happy with the path that Apple is taking here. The non-configurability/repairability of the newer laptops along with the ever-increasing closing of the platform gives me pause. I was looking at the Lenovo Carbon X1 as a possible candidate to replace the Macbook Air I'm currently using but it's not all-the-way-there yet. At least, not for me. I'm hoping that the other manufacturers ca…

I really want to want to buy a X1 Carbon, but it seems they aren't selling one with an i7 and 8GB. It seems to be a "choose one" situation, which is incredibly annoying.

Re: The Pendulum Swings, Again

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Post by zmonkeyz »

bad_user wrote: post #22

The most interesting thing about these recent trends is human nature. I remember back in year 2000/2001 how everybody was talking about freedom, open-source and the open nature of the Internet. I remember how the closed garden that Microsoft tried to create was frowned upon. Small companies that were picking the Internet as a delivery platform and using open-source/multi-platform technologies were on the forefront of…

Don't forget that when the IPhone happened Apple intended any "applications" to be web applications which is why they spent so much time on getting mobile Safari right. It was the developers who demanded local apps and settled for the closed garden.

Re: The Pendulum Swings, Again

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Post by no_more_death »

boboblong wrote: post #92
rimantas wrote: post #76

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After reading this comment I am really glad I am not some "geek". I am a programmer, developer, whatever, but I hope I will never turn into geek like one described here.

As a geek, believe me, the feeling is mutual.

Sorry, but your comment did nothing to convince the person above. In fact, you may have just turned a middle-of-the-roader into a lifelong enemy of your cause. I'm sorry if I'm beating up on you but this problem is huge in our circles.

Can we get off our snark and get people on our side instead? Comments should elevate others instead of showing off our sarcasm.

Re: The Pendulum Swings, Again

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Post by boboblong »

no_more_death wrote: post #103
boboblong wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a geek, believe me, the feeling is mutual.

Sorry, but your comment did nothing to convince the person above. In fact, you may have just turned a middle-of-the-roader into a lifelong enemy of your cause. I'm sorry if I'm beating up on you but this problem is huge in our circles. Can we get off our snark and get people on our side instead? Comments should elevate others instead of showing off our sarcasm.

My comment wasn't sarcastic and I'm not interested in evangelizing.

Re: The Pendulum Swings, Again

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Post by jlgreco »

adestefan wrote: post #58
MatthewPhillips wrote: post #45

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> I think the article misses one of the fundamental reasons that mobile is a closed environment: fear. It seems we treat things we can put in our pocket as more personal and much different than the twilight zone we expect out of computers. Mobile is closed because Apple is closed, were wildly successful when they entered the market, and everyone else followed suit. There success wasn't due to the closed nature, but a…

Mobile is closed because the network providers are terrified of letting devices that they cannot control on their network.

Remember though that there are no carriers in the world that only permit phones as locked down as the iPhone.

Re: The Pendulum Swings, Again

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Post by gonzo »

zmonkeyz wrote: post #102
bad_user wrote: post #22

The most interesting thing about these recent trends is human nature. I remember back in year 2000/2001 how everybody was talking about freedom, open-source and the open nature of the Internet. I remember how the closed garden that Microsoft tried to create was frowned upon. Small companies that were picking the Internet as a delivery platform and using open-source/multi-platform technologies were on the forefront of…

Don't forget that when the IPhone happened Apple intended any "applications" to be web applications which is why they spent so much time on getting mobile Safari right. It was the developers who demanded local apps and settled for the closed garden.

Well, that's one view.

Another is that the SDK wasn't fit for public consumption in Summer 2007.

Nor would reasonable apps have worked all that well on 2007-series hardware.

But.. you have to start somewhere.

Re: The Pendulum Swings, Again

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Post by gonzo »

jlgreco wrote: post #100
loup-vaillant wrote: post #91

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RMS definitely was right to insist on "GNU/Linux" for GNU systems, though: we have proof now that some people who can tell a kernel from an OS can't express themselves clearly when they do need to communicate that distinction.

Exactly. For years I did not see the point in "GNU/Linux" as a term. I understood why he wanted it called that, and sympathised with him, but I lacked a reason to actually care. Now though the distraction is useful . I use GNU/Linux on my servers, desktops, and laptops, and I use Android/Linux on my phone. The terminology now makes conversation easier, instead of more cumbersome.

What has changed is that you have discovered a use for the term. RMS already had one.

Re: The Pendulum Swings, Again

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Post by pippy »

bad_user wrote: post #22

The most interesting thing about these recent trends is human nature. I remember back in year 2000/2001 how everybody was talking about freedom, open-source and the open nature of the Internet. I remember how the closed garden that Microsoft tried to create was frowned upon. Small companies that were picking the Internet as a delivery platform and using open-source/multi-platform technologies were on the forefront of…

Comparing Apple's walled garden to Microsoft's is comparing apples to pears. Not being able to open a .doc on another word processor is different from stopping grandma from opening funnycatpicsnotvirus.app

I like to see things from the benefit to the consumer. Microsoft stagnated the computing world for 10 years by failing to innovate. Apple is suing because (let's face it) competitors are jumping on their gravy train and not deviating from their successful designs.

Yes suing is douchy, but to me it's better than the FUD and EEE.

Re: The Pendulum Swings, Again

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Post by jlgreco »

gonzo wrote: post #107
jlgreco wrote: post #100

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Exactly. For years I did not see the point in "GNU/Linux" as a term. I understood why he wanted it called that, and sympathised with him, but I lacked a reason to actually care. Now though the distraction is useful . I use GNU/Linux on my servers, desktops, and laptops, and I use Android/Linux on my phone. The terminology now makes conversation easier, instead of more cumbersome.

What has changed is that you have discovered a use for the term. RMS already had one.

Exactly. It is no longer just about ideology or giving proper credit anymore.

Re: The Pendulum Swings, Again

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Post by creat0 »

I fail to see a qualitative difference between "mobile", "laptop", "desktop" or "stovetop". Those are just form factors. They are all computers. We can put a computer inside almost anything nowadays. What matters to me besides what's on the motherboard are peripherals, drivers and access to networks.

Things got smaller. We all knew they would. But they should not become less functional. (Hello Apple.)

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