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4Chan Lawyer publishes Ofcom correspondence
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Re: 4Chan Lawyer publishes Ofcom correspondence
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right now you're downvoted for expressing an opinion that I believe deserves a deeper discussion. I don't want the government to decide which thoughts I can access and which ones I can't, but I also understand that allowing a foreign power (let's say Russia, although "the US" works just as fine) to freely run undercover propaganda and/or destabilization campaigns without any recourse doesn't look good either. And whi…
>I don't want the government to decide which thoughts I can access and which ones I can't That would be an interesting discussion in itself, but even so - accessing material in isolation over the internet removes all of the benefits of cultural and community self-regulation. >freely run undercover propaganda and/or destabilization campaigns I'm of the opinion that WWW3 has already happened - it was a war for hearts a…
> cultural and community self-regulation
This is a very fancy way of saying “censorship”.
> I'm of the opinion that WWW3 has already happened - it was a war for hearts and minds waged over the internet, and we've already lost.
If the open, unfettered exchange of culture and ideas is such a threat to our system then we deserve to lose. If my only option is to be stuck in a system that enforces ideological conformity on its subjects, then I’d rather it be the Chinese system. At least it’s not so dysfunctional!
If we are receiving all of the downsides of a liberal democracy without the benefits, what’s the point anymore?
Re: 4Chan Lawyer publishes Ofcom correspondence
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
in terms of speech development, TV was found to be a massive benefit in increasing vocabulary - how are you so sure the internet (nebulously defined as that is) is detrimental to communication abilities, arent they on there talking to their friends?. And if we are talking about the internet in general and not just twitter/tiktok, then its largely NOT doomscrolling and ragebait. Hackernews (heck, every single news org…
> TV was found to be a massive benefit in increasing vocabulary By who, and for who? My kids (ages 5+7) watch significantly less TV than their peers (as well as currently almost zero internet access), and are frequently complimented on their command of vocabulary and ability to express themselves. >And if we are talking about the internet in general and not just twitter/tiktok, then its largely NOT doomscrolling and…
>By who, and for who?
ages 0-6, increased vocabulary with increased screen time https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/cdev.13927
> My kids (ages 5+7) watch significantly less TV than their peers (as well as currently almost zero internet access), and are frequently complimented on their command of vocabulary and ability to express themselves.
Compliments are nice I suppose, but theyre a poor metric when regarding vocabulary size.
> By amount of time that people spend on the internet, it is mostly doomscrolling and ragebait. If only we could take that part of it away.
"most" people I assume doesnt include you? Youre too smart to fall for it, obviously.
Re: 4Chan Lawyer publishes Ofcom correspondence
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, more like the Parisian tobacconist had the audacity to sell tobacco to some Brits without asking Ofcom.
yes, where said Brits were in Britain and the tobacco was shipped there.
No, the tobacco was being served from France, the Brits used British pidgeon carriers to bring the tobacco to Britain.
Re: 4Chan Lawyer publishes Ofcom correspondence
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
> TV was found to be a massive benefit in increasing vocabulary By who, and for who? My kids (ages 5+7) watch significantly less TV than their peers (as well as currently almost zero internet access), and are frequently complimented on their command of vocabulary and ability to express themselves. >And if we are talking about the internet in general and not just twitter/tiktok, then its largely NOT doomscrolling and…
>By who, and for who? ages 0-6, increased vocabulary with increased screen time https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/cdev.13927 > My kids (ages 5+7) watch significantly less TV than their peers (as well as currently almost zero internet access), and are frequently complimented on their command of vocabulary and ability to express themselves. Compliments are nice I suppose, but theyre a poor metric when re…
Have you read the paper you linked? It indicates at best a slightly positive outcome on average, with many caveats (video is worse, the younger the kid the worse the effect, removing educational content results in a negative correlation, etc). It also links to another metastudy that covers a larger age range, and indicates a negative correlation.
>theyre a poor metric when regarding vocabulary size.
I'm talking about school reports, among other things.
>"most" people I assume doesnt include you? Youre too smart to fall for it, obviously.
It's something I struggle with daily, and have put a lot of thought into what I want from my use of online technology. Eg, I don't have a smartphone. How can a kid be expected to make good choices if I can't?
Re: 4Chan Lawyer publishes Ofcom correspondence
#106Is there a solution where we can compel parental control to be enabled by default on kids phones? That would seem to be least intrusive option. Using the internet in the UK/EU is such a horrible experience, every cookie pop-up is a reminder how badly thought out these rules are.
Come to think of it, parental control would be a neat application for something like Apple Intelligence. A local system service that is "trustworthy enough" to monitor everything on screen, and written content too.
Parental controls only need look for an RTA header [1] that would need to be legislated to be served from any adult or potentially adult user-generated content site. Not perfect, nothing is but it would take an intern maybe half a day to add the code to clients to check for said header. Adding the header on the server side is at trivial. Teens will bypass it as they can stream and watch together porn and pirated movies in rate-PG video games that allow defining a "movie player" but small children on locked down tablets would be fine.
[1] - https://www.rtalabel.org/index.php?content=howtofaq#single
Re: 4Chan Lawyer publishes Ofcom correspondence
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
Come to think of it, parental control would be a neat application for something like Apple Intelligence. A local system service that is "trustworthy enough" to monitor everything on screen, and written content too.
Parental controls only need look for an RTA header [1] that would need to be legislated to be served from any adult or potentially adult user-generated content site. Not perfect, nothing is but it would take an intern maybe half a day to add the code to clients to check for said header. Adding the header on the server side is at trivial. Teens will bypass it as they can stream and watch together porn and pirated movi…
That "unlabelled whack-a-mole" problem is exactly what a system-level visual classifier would block.
Re: 4Chan Lawyer publishes Ofcom correspondence
#108Am I missing something here? 4chan is available in the UK so has to follow UK laws there, where is the problem? Regardless of whatever it is they are enforcing.
Re: 4Chan Lawyer publishes Ofcom correspondence
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Parental controls only need look for an RTA header [1] that would need to be legislated to be served from any adult or potentially adult user-generated content site. Not perfect, nothing is but it would take an intern maybe half a day to add the code to clients to check for said header. Adding the header on the server side is at trivial. Teens will bypass it as they can stream and watch together porn and pirated movi…
That "unlabelled whack-a-mole" problem is exactly what a system-level visual classifier would block.
I am not sure what you mean. Are you saying a daemon would recognize a video player that is streaming porn from within a video game? Who is installing this daemon?
A client checking for a header is more than sufficient to block small children from seeing porn and that is 100% more than we have today. No extra memory or CPU required important on tablets or phones handed to children. No privacy invasion by daemons or other third parties.
Kid: "Mommie they said go to pornhub.com for games but it ask for password"
Mom: "Dumb trolls are picking on you, I will deal with them."
Re: 4Chan Lawyer publishes Ofcom correspondence
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Should we maybe focus on the more fundamental problem of our democracies being vulnerable to propaganda campaigns Step 1 is reduce your attack surface :) As a second point, democracies are propaganda campaigns - it's a feature, not a bug. I believe that national cultural and societal norms play a key part in self-regulation. I think it's too much to ask for those balancing forces to work as effectively without firs…
Being able to implement any decision by running a targeted campaign discouraging it's opponents from voting and swaying the undecided can't be a feature or we have very different understanding of democracy. By closing up we defend us from some threats, but open gates wide for others. Foreign actors compete against much stronger domestic media machines and as you mentioned have to operate in foreign cultural environme…
There are entire political industries openly dedicated to swaying the undecided! It's a messy business, but that's what we have.
Propaganda is not necessarily to gain influence or money. Eg: Country x just wants to mess with people's heads and turn them on each other to weaken a rival country. Or: Country y runs a crafted propaganda campaign against a rival. As a result, some sector of its own economy starts doing better at the expense of its rival.
>If some internal "threat actor" gets control of the executive branch and of the media and also can prevent information flow from the outside, very little can be done against it.
I understand the scenario (it's far from new), but that's what the design of any particular democracy is supposed to minimise. Term limits, separation of government powers, etc.