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Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by Seattle3503 »

joering2 wrote: post #44
freedomben wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The truth is somewhere in the middle. Many regulations are terrible and serve as a huge hindrance to innovation, and effectively restrict certain things to only the already-massively-rich entrepreneurs. However, (IMHO) there are a lot of regulations that are important and absolutely should be enforced up front. Finding the right balance is kind of impossible, and I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater,…

This is actually what we would love to have as Gov Department - DORO: Department Of Regulations Overview - a body that would asses each regulation and cut of all these that are unnecessary and were clearly created by politicians/lobbyist/lawmakers bribed by big corp. to "lawfully" eliminate competition.

Rather than focus on provenance, IMO a focus on cost vs benefit of regulation would be more effective.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by sleepybrett »

jvanderbot wrote: post #80
boudin wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe that an atmosphere compatible with human life is a bit more useful than internet by satelite. The fact that the impact of re-entry of satelites is absolute insane. Any good engineering company would study the whole impact of scaling up before doing so. The fact that spacex didn't do that is really worrying and regulation should come to stop what they are doing asap until the impact is better understood. Som…

I am not aware of threats to the atmosphere from the entry at a 100kg/day scale. And nobody is. At this point risks are hypothetical to the ozone or other layers.

I'm aware of the threats to the atmosphere from repeated and frequent rocket launches.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by dagmx »

testing22321 wrote: post #71
leakycap wrote: post #3

All this so a handful of passengers a week can wait for the extremely small pool of vehicles in a dusty hole

Have you ridden the existing Vegas tunnel? Tens of thousands of riders when I was there and not a spec of dirt. Very far from perfect, but a long way from useless.

The LVCC Loop has demonstrated a peak capacity of ~4,400–4,500 passengers per hour in testing.

How did you arrive at tens of thousands of riders?

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by willk »

ETH_start wrote: post #69

I think the big picture here is much more important. If tunneling technology is radically improved, we're going to see massive improvements in urban living, including: • Cleaner air at street level because vehicle exhaust stays underground and can be filtered, which would have massive health and environmental benefits • Quieter cities with most traffic noise eliminated • Cooler temperatures since asphalt and vehicle…

> Workers have complained of chemical burns from the waste material generated by the tunneling process, and firefighters must decontaminate their equipment after conducting rescues from the project sites. The company was fined more than $112,000 by Nevada’s Occupational Safety and Health Administration in late 2023 after workers complained of “ankle-deep” water in the tunnels, muck spills and burns.

I think we can do a little better while still reaping the improvements garnered by tunneling.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by PhotonHunter »

ETH_start wrote: post #69

I think the big picture here is much more important. If tunneling technology is radically improved, we're going to see massive improvements in urban living, including: • Cleaner air at street level because vehicle exhaust stays underground and can be filtered, which would have massive health and environmental benefits • Quieter cities with most traffic noise eliminated • Cooler temperatures since asphalt and vehicle…

> • Cleaner air at street level because vehicle exhaust stays underground and can be filtered, which would have massive health and environmental benefits

What exhaust? These are all electric cars running in the tunnels.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by bobthepanda »

Ekaros wrote: post #58
ceejayoz wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Las Vegas does not strike me as a very friendly place for NIMBYs.

Just depends on whose backyard. Haven't the casinos blocked certain possibly beneficial transport projects for long time now?

You’re thinking of the taxi industry which is the primary reason the monorail doesn’t go to the airport

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by daemonologist »

leakycap wrote: post #3

All this so a handful of passengers a week can wait for the extremely small pool of vehicles in a dusty hole

There was a CityNerd video (which you may take or leave in general, but I found the anecdote interesting) in which there appeared to be one vehicle in service on the entire system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPjODKUxV5g

I assume though that they would adjust the capacity depending on time of day and whether there's an event or something going on, to some degree.

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Post by AlienRobot »

hollerith wrote: post #96
sleepybrett wrote: post #76

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Well isn't the boring company trying to build his dumbass single lane tesla road? Is this really infrastructure or just 'trains with extra steps and no safety'

This seems intrinsically safer than trains, or so it seems to me (although I am not an expert). It seems safer because trains derails regularly. Tires can blow, but blowing a tire is unlikely to damage the whole train like a derailment is. At the least, the operator has the option to increase safety against blown tires by increasing the separation between cars. Instead of bringing up safety, I'd bring up the micropla…

>From the very first run of the Tōkaidō Shinkansen on October 1, 1964, until the present day, there has never been a single derailment or collision on the entire full-standard Shinkansen rail network resulting in a passenger fatality

https://www.nippon.com/en/in-depth/d01045/#:~:text=Zero%20Fa...

Sounds like trains are pretty safe to me.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by rafterydj »

leetharris wrote: post #77
leakycap wrote: post #3

All this so a handful of passengers a week can wait for the extremely small pool of vehicles in a dusty hole

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everybody knew and voiced their knowledge before, during, and after the Vegas tunnel that Boring Co and the Hyperloop were just bad concepts. You didn't need to waste money to try it, because it's not new tech. It's a tunnel. It's a solution to traffic. It's for riders, not drivers. But instead of calling it a train and therefore being _lame_, you slap a fresh coat of paint on it with _self driving cars_ and _insane_ promises you could never deliver on.

Calling out snake oil, for being snake oil, and lamenting that it sucks all the oxygen out of the room for _real_ , _serious_ technology and progress? That's a good thing.

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