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Google Maps' advantage over Apple Maps

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Re: Google Maps' advantage over Apple Maps

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I'm sorry, but can someone paste the part of this article where Google announces anything about 400 years? I can't find it.

I'm thinking it's a ploy to get people to read yet another criticism of Apple's new maps. We get it, they're bad. EDIT: Frankly, I think it's pretty hilarious this article is so long and formal.

Hey now, only an average of 20% of all front-page stories in the past 24 hours have been bashing on the new maps app. That's tame by HN groupmind standards.

Re: Google Maps' advantage over Apple Maps

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I remember reading a while ago about how Apple's reliance on Google for mapping was a massive problem for the company. Something about how in the future all ad revenue will derive from location-based recommendations. If that's true, then there was no other acceptable solution for Apple than to at some point simply bite the bullet and roll out an in-house mapping service. Continuing dependence on Google here simply posed too much risk to ad revenue and indeed the basic integrity of their ecosystem.

All things considered, given how complex maps must be to implement, it seems like Apple did a pretty good job for day one.

Furthermore, this furore reminds me of the storm over Siri. Tech pundits work themselves into a frenzy proclaiming that Apple is losing its edge. Average consumers however pay no heed and the company rolls on to the next product launch largely unharmed. The critics miss the bigger picture: a company with so much momentum that it can easily afford to crowdsource the refinement of challenging big-data projects such as Siri and Maps. While the critics stand around prophesising doom, Apple iterates, improves, and by the time the next big hit comes out the last "disaster" is ancient history. Ignore their strength at your peril I say.

Re: Google Maps' advantage over Apple Maps

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I thought Apple did have a relationship with Tomtom for this?

Yes, you're apparently right: http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/11/apple-tomtom-ios-6-maps/ I'm not sure what all that deal entails, so it's hard to say whether it could have been better executed upon, other than to say it's clearly not ready yet. I find it hard to believe, however, that all of the incorrect placement of destinations and, in some cases, even the inclusion of destinations that have not existed for decad…

One can always use http://routes.tomtom.com/ as a source for comparison. It would also be good if certain journalists and bloggers did this before shooting their mouths off about data quality, but that wouldn't make a compelling headline.

Re: Google Maps' advantage over Apple Maps

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I remember reading a while ago about how Apple's reliance on Google for mapping was a massive problem for the company. Something about how in the future all ad revenue will derive from location-based recommendations. If that's true, then there was no other acceptable solution for Apple than to at some point simply bite the bullet and roll out an in-house mapping service. Continuing dependence on Google here simply po…

"Something about how in the future all ad revenue will derive from location-based recommendations"

And why exactly should Apple care about this? Isn't the vast majority of their profit coming from higher then normal margins on hardware? Their bread and butter is suppose to be making compelling tech products that have high build quality and are easy to use for any type of user. Why would Apple care where ad dollars are going as long as they kept doing what they are suppose to be doing to justify their high margin devices? Apple isn't in the ad business.

Of course, with their map move they've just compromised the quality of one of the core services of a mobile device, that should be a bigger deal then any of this nonsense about location based recommendations being the future of ad revenue.

Re: Google Maps' advantage over Apple Maps

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Welcome to basher news.

Guess this means Apple really has taken over for Microsoft!

Sure, you could say that. But what I really mean is that the average HNer shifted his focus. And that's plain sad.

Re: Google Maps' advantage over Apple Maps

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There's plenty worth criticizing about Apple, but you didn't even mention radar:// 1) "Social Experiences" - Ping failed where... who succeeded? 2) "Data Harvesting and Search" - These are two terms that are either exactly the same, or extremely different. Neither points at a clear criticism. You realize Apple pioneered desktop search, right? 3) "Data synchronization" - Where's the problem, exactly? Is there any comp…

1) Many other companies have succeeded at getting social to work: Ping did not; do you use Ping? I explicitly go into the story with regards to Ping. I know of no one who considers Ping a success. http://www.powayiliad.com/2011/01/itunes-ping-an-apple-failu... http://www.buzzfeed.com/scott/ping-fail-5-reasons-to-avoid-j... Even Apple considers Ping a failure, so I'm really not certain where you are trying to go with…

I don't realize who he's talking to. Why do you assume everyone knows who you are?

Re: Google Maps' advantage over Apple Maps

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I used turn-by-turn directions yesterday and everything worked fine. I think people are blowing the whole thing way out of proportion. If Google Maps was so great, why did Google never add turn-by-turn directions to the iOS app? My guess is that they were simply holding it over Apple.

Re: Google Maps' advantage over Apple Maps

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My biggest disappointment regarding this whole matter is that as a result, OSM is getting a lot of negative criticism. More-so than Tom-Tom.

But why? OSM is not really used by Apple in the current map app, AFAIK.

I assume, like Yahoo/Flickr used OSM in places like Beijing and Bagdad, that Apple only uses OSM to fill in the gaps were their commercial sources are weak and, to be frank, where it only needs to be better than nothing.

Re: Google Maps' advantage over Apple Maps

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Are Bing Maps this horrible? Couldn't they license those if they didn't have a choice? Or what about MapQuest? What about the maps used by GPS units? Couldn't they have made a deal with Garmin or Tomtom or someone like that? It may have taken more work than integration with Google, but it'd almost definitely take less work than starting from scratch. I definitely do not believe that their hands were tied and they wer…

I thought Apple did have a relationship with Tomtom for this?

From the article "2. I suspect that the data and routing functionality that they have from TomTom, while not the best, is simply not the source of their problems. ..."

The author of the article is suggesting the problem is the integration of lots of other data in with the TomTom data is the problem. Not the TomTom data

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