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Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

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Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

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Well before Apple adapted it, it was used only by a very tiny fraction of the worlds population. Apple made it a mass market success. Therefore I think it is fair to say that Apple actually invented the design. The Swiss tried but failed to make it popular. Apple did it right .

Making a product "popular" does not turn it into invention and does not give legal rights to the design.

Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

#102
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People probably feel that it is hypocritical to sue one company for copying your designs, and then turn around and copy designs off someone else, especially when they happen right a few months apart. Personally, my moral compass immediately feels that this is worse than just plain copying, and I assume that is why people are reacting with a stronger anti-Apple sentiment here.

This is a digression, but I have trouble with the idea of hypocrisy in general. It's difficult for me to conceive that, morally, espousing wrong beliefs and adhering to them in one's personal life is better than espousing wrong beliefs while at least doing the right thing oneself. (Assuming the people who made these decisions have any interaction with each other:) If intellectual property is well grounded, Apple is r…

Hypocrisy is the antithesis of the golden rule, which is why I tend to have a problem with it.

It's not anything that automatically refutes someones arguments, it just tells me that when it comes to that subject, they're an asshole. And when someone is being an asshole, I just don't care about their arguments.

Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

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post #87
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a digression, but I have trouble with the idea of hypocrisy in general. It's difficult for me to conceive that, morally, espousing wrong beliefs and adhering to them in one's personal life is better than espousing wrong beliefs while at least doing the right thing oneself. (Assuming the people who made these decisions have any interaction with each other:) If intellectual property is well grounded, Apple is r…

I think hypocrisy is used most often when there's no consensus whether some beliefs are bad, and supporters of one view use hypocrisy of supporters of the other to make an argument. When someone says "murdering people is OK" and then doesn't murder - nobody is going to accuse him of hypocrisy ;)

Many people accused Hitler in hypocrisy. Then he killed itself.

Sorry, it's a horrible and non-factual joke. But your theory is still wrong. There is consensus in society that racism is bad and racist with friends of other race is a classical example of hypocrisy. And if by lack of consensus you mean existence of other view then murdering example is wrong because it suppose lack of consensus and your theory is tautology.

Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

#104
post #89

On an unrelated note, I wish there was a wall clock with the real Swiss stop-to-go[1] action... Edit: and [2] would make for a great 11.5" laptop sticker [1] http://www.3quarks.com/en/StationClock/index.html [2] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b2/SBB-CFF-FFS.sv...

I'm pretty sure you can buy them from inside the SBB ticket centers, but you can at least buy wrist watches from mondaine: http://www.mondaine.com/mondaine/ edit: Looks like you can buy the wall clocks online from SBB itself http://www.sbbshop.ch/pub/index.php?page=goods&c=8&s...

They do not start/stop.

Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

#106
post #87
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a digression, but I have trouble with the idea of hypocrisy in general. It's difficult for me to conceive that, morally, espousing wrong beliefs and adhering to them in one's personal life is better than espousing wrong beliefs while at least doing the right thing oneself. (Assuming the people who made these decisions have any interaction with each other:) If intellectual property is well grounded, Apple is r…

I think hypocrisy is used most often when there's no consensus whether some beliefs are bad, and supporters of one view use hypocrisy of supporters of the other to make an argument. When someone says "murdering people is OK" and then doesn't murder - nobody is going to accuse him of hypocrisy ;)

It's not. Saying that everyone should murder (all the time), and not doing it, would be hypocrisy. But yeah, you're right. People would probably be distracted by the whole "murder" thing.

Even if there's no consensus on whether some beliefs are good or bad, such as in politics, doesn't hypocrisy show some sort of "character flaw" in the perpetrator? It's dishonest to push views you don't hold yourself, or rules you don't even try to live by.

Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

#107
post #96

Well before Apple adapted it, it was used only by a very tiny fraction of the worlds population. Apple made it a mass market success. Therefore I think it is fair to say that Apple actually invented the design. The Swiss tried but failed to make it popular. Apple did it right .

Making a product "popular" does not turn it into invention and does not give legal rights to the design.

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Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

#108

On an unrelated note, I wish there was a wall clock with the real Swiss stop-to-go[1] action... Edit: and [2] would make for a great 11.5" laptop sticker [1] http://www.3quarks.com/en/StationClock/index.html [2] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b2/SBB-CFF-FFS.sv...

As a Swiss I'm amazed to find this all over the news today. I didn't even know that this train station clock design is that famous.

Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

#110
post #96

Well before Apple adapted it, it was used only by a very tiny fraction of the worlds population. Apple made it a mass market success. Therefore I think it is fair to say that Apple actually invented the design. The Swiss tried but failed to make it popular. Apple did it right .

Making a product "popular" does not turn it into invention and does not give legal rights to the design.

Have you tried defending that notion in court? Actually I think the inventor is the party who has the highest marketing budget to spend.
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