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ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones
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It is critical to understand that as a general rule, what they are doing is completely legal. We created the conditions for this to happen and are empowered to change it.
If you mean we created an environment where people could come and find success and live their lives, and we perhaps weren’t as strict as we could’ve been in some situations… I don’t think that violently kidnapping people off the streets, without showing badges, in unmarked vehicles, masked, etc is a punishment that fits the crime. Missing a court date once multiple years ago, failing to navigate a complex process, an…
What's moral vs what's legal aren't always the same thing. Especially in times like this, they get very quickly divergent.
To the parent poster's point, the obligation of the citizen in a democracy (at least in theory) is to try to align those.
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But, isn't intercepting communications using a fake cell tower a wiretap?
I wonder if there's an argument that mobile phones are using publicly-owned broadcast spectrum, and therefore, like when walking around in public, there isn't an expectation of privacy. Ham radio rules for example prohibit encryption because they are using public airwaves. It used to be possible to just set up an analog receiver and you could listen to nearby cell phone calls.
I actually find that a decent argument, but I believe it’s already been shut down. When police used thermal imaging to “observe” a house, without doing anything they thought required a warrant, the Supreme Court decided it was too intrusive ( https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/533/27/#tab-opin... ). But if I understand the ruling correctly, if the police make it well-known that they have the ability to do something intrusive, then they don’t need a warrant.
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Well it might be emotional if you're one of these people about to be sent to South Sudan It's either right or wrong for ICE to run a dragnet through a city, cuffing everyone, checking their papers, as they hope to find someone undocumented. Either human beings have rights and deserve due process, or they don't. People are reduced to the point of keeping airtags on them so loved ones and their lawyers can find them be…
>It's either right or wrong for ICE to run a dragnet through a city, cuffing everyone, checking their papers, as they hope to find someone undocumented. What does the fact that ICE is doing it to catch illegal matter? Because as far as I'm concerned ICE has no bearing on this. It's wrong no matter who does it or what their goals are. Being an illegal is barely a crime. Whoops, you overstayed your visa, big fucking de…
ICE is just particularly egregious example. But a lot of Federal agents on the ground are participating in Midway Blitz.
Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
But, isn't intercepting communications using a fake cell tower a wiretap?
>But, isn't intercepting communications using a fake cell tower a wiretap? The article doesn't actually mention what ICE is actually using the cell site simulators for. It's possible that they're only collecting IMSIs and not text/voice traffic, which might still be wiretapping, but it'd be more difficult to argue in front of a judge.
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Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones
#106If you're running an Android phone open settings > Network & Internet > Internet > click on your network (e.g. Google Fi) > turn on 2G network protection (at the bottom).
Alternatively: Security & privacy > Advanced Protection > Device protection. That does other stuff too though
I'm not aware of a way to do this on iPhones...
I'm not an expert, but my understanding is that many of these attacks work by performing 2G downgrading.
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> can I ask why? Simply put, Americans gave Republicans a popular mandate to reduce illegal immigration. Much of this was economic: illegal immigrants dilute the labour force. Some, particularly among Latin Americans, rose from perceived injustice: it’s frustrating to go through the American immigration process only to see someone who skipped it live a similar life. Some, e.g. those focused on crime, were just racist…
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> much easier for Obama to do it because there were not throngs of protesters trying to stop his ICE officers
Yes there were [1][2]. New York City Council members were arrested [3].
Obama's ICE was simply more focussed on detaining and deterring illegal immigrants because immigration was a political liability for him. For Trump, efficiacy isn't as important as messaging.
[1] https://www.voanews.com/a/barack-obama-immigration-raids-pro...
[2] https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3793700
[3] https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/protest-arrests/211895...
Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones
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I mean slavery was legal, Jim Crow was legal... A lot of things are legal and still wrong based on our core principles as a country. Its our duty to oppose them.
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Might help if you specify which views you don't share? The fact that slavery etc was legal or that they were wrong or that citizens should oppose them?
Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
But, isn't intercepting communications using a fake cell tower a wiretap?
I wonder if there's an argument that mobile phones are using publicly-owned broadcast spectrum, and therefore, like when walking around in public, there isn't an expectation of privacy. Ham radio rules for example prohibit encryption because they are using public airwaves. It used to be possible to just set up an analog receiver and you could listen to nearby cell phone calls.
Intercepting cell phone communications is restricted by law. This was enacted when public officials had their clear AMPS phone calls recorded with legally owned passive radios.
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By definition, the law is what we, collectively, agree on as being the law. The Supreme Court is only able to serve as the executor of the law on the basis of the institution being seen as legitimate and by virtue of being given that right by society. The Supreme Court suddenly deciding that the constitution does not matter does not make their decision law, it erodes trust in that institution and removes their mandat…
Well, the law of this land is based on the Constitution, which gives the Supreme Court ultimate authority to interpret the law. That is what gives it the force of law. Now, the legitimacy of the CONSTITUTION is based on what we, collectively, agree on, however
If that's true that's the same thing as Supreme Court simply having all the power isn't it? SCOTUS largely serves as a veto power on the other two branches. If they can actually unilaterally make a binding interpretation of the constitution then they could simply declare the constitution is actually saying SCOTUS has all of the federal powers and that Clarence Thomas is King.
SCOTUS has been relied on far too much as a method of legitimation of extra-constitutional powers. People know they are lying bastard, but because the court-gods have used their holy powers to interpret the constitution as magically meaning stuff like intrastate commerce is actually interstate commerce and sawn off shotguns aren't actually protected 'arms' then many gullible zealots will actually believe that.