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Re: Gem.coop

#101

Post by soraminazuki »

nomdep wrote: post #94
mijoharas wrote: post #68

So, ignoring everything that got us here, what do people think about this? As I see it, there is the original rubygems, which has lost all of it's maintainers, and this new one, that has most of the original active maintainers? (how many were there before? it has most of the ones I think about, but I didn't know who was active over there. I mostly saw activity from deivid and didn't know about most of the others to b…

>It kind of feels like this fork is the better-maintained piece of software now. Maybe, but I feel the value of the index is the storage and bandwidth and not the software itself, isn't it? Could an index work by just being a search engine for gems, storing the hashes, but pointing to external resources, like GitHub repos, for the download itself?

Trustworthiness is far more important for a package manager. No amount of storage or bandwidth can compensate for an untrustworthy package manager.

Re: Gem.coop

#102

Post by ishouldbework »

hiimkeks wrote: post #26
steve_gh wrote: post #25

I'm really pleased to see this happening, but sad that it has come to this. What I'd really like to see is a whole bunch of people acting more professionally. Who you pray to, who you vote for, and who you sleep with are irrelevant to a professional context - and open source development is a professional context. So everyone needs to keep their professional and personal lives separate. I know that at best I would be…

If who you vote for will put me into a torture camp (or otherwise devalues my life or personhood), then I can't work with you, so no it is not irrelevant. (neither the "me" nor the "you" here refer to you or me personally ofc.)

"will put me into a torture camp" for sure, but "devalues my life or personhood" is pretty vague. So, for example, if I value guns and consider them necessary for my well being and personal safety, should I refuse to work with anyone who votes for increased gun control? This sounds like a recipe for very fragmented, unstable society.

Re: Gem.coop

#103

Post by giraffe_lady »

steve_gh wrote: post #52
pil0u wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Your example could sound like exaggerated, but silence is a form of opinion, of vote, of approval. Even in a professional context, because work is part of the society we live in. This whole "DHH situation" with Rails has put my mind in weird position. I admire the Rails creator, the business man, the speaker. I admire what he builds, how passionate he is about his work and open-source software. But I very str…

> but silence is a form of opinion, of vote, of approval. I disagree. We don't have to have an opinion on everything. And what worries me is those (both on the left and on the right) who think that silence is a form of opinion or approval. It's getting very close to "those who are not with us are against us". And that's a worldview I have very little time for.

> And what worries me is those (both on the left and on the right) who think that silence is a form of opinion or approval.

Definitely definitely. When a racist paramilitary is disappearing my neighbors my primary concern is whether people will consider me complicit for publicly stating that I have no duty to interfere.

You don't have to have an opinion on everything but you do have to have an opinion on some things. Or I mean, obviously you don't, but then you have to accept the social consequences of cowardice.

Re: Gem.coop

#104

Post by mijoharas »

nomdep wrote: post #94
mijoharas wrote: post #68

So, ignoring everything that got us here, what do people think about this? As I see it, there is the original rubygems, which has lost all of it's maintainers, and this new one, that has most of the original active maintainers? (how many were there before? it has most of the ones I think about, but I didn't know who was active over there. I mostly saw activity from deivid and didn't know about most of the others to b…

>It kind of feels like this fork is the better-maintained piece of software now. Maybe, but I feel the value of the index is the storage and bandwidth and not the software itself, isn't it? Could an index work by just being a search engine for gems, storing the hashes, but pointing to external resources, like GitHub repos, for the download itself?

Isn't that how golang works?

I remember some complaints about the traffic that it produced[0] (though I don't think it's a bad idea. Basically federated downloads).

[0] https://sourcehut.org/blog/2023-01-09-gomodulemirror/

Re: Gem.coop

#106

Post by giraffe_lady »

nathanaldensr wrote: post #57
steve_gh wrote: post #25

I'm really pleased to see this happening, but sad that it has come to this. What I'd really like to see is a whole bunch of people acting more professionally. Who you pray to, who you vote for, and who you sleep with are irrelevant to a professional context - and open source development is a professional context. So everyone needs to keep their professional and personal lives separate. I know that at best I would be…

Completely agreed. Sorry, other folks, but you have no right to gatekeep my speech in any way in a professional context. Are you a family member? Then sure, we can have a discussion. Am I a member of your private club or otherwise dependent on your approval of my thoughts or beliefs? Then let's talk. Otherwise, leave me alone. You (the collective you) don't get to decide what I am and am not allowed to think and beli…

Nobody is constraining your beliefs or expressions of them. People are exercising their own individual right not to associate with people who express certain beliefs.

Re: Gem.coop

#107

Post by ishouldbework »

ramon156 wrote: post #48
simianparrot wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does “fash problem” mean?

There's some weird opinions coming from mostly DHH. My personal take is that they're blatantly racist, but everyone can have their own Here's some fun facts: - DHH enforced a "No Politics at Work" policy. - DHH wrote a post expressing that he wouldn't want to live in London anymore because it's "no longer full of native Brits", and expressed support for a Tommy Robinson march he called "heartwarming". Tommy Robinson…

Cannot speak for the US, but in Europe immigration is connected to crime increase in general. The Ukraine refugees are one of few statistical exceptions.

Re: Gem.coop

#108

Post by blast »

pil0u wrote: post #37
hiimkeks wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If who you vote for will put me into a torture camp (or otherwise devalues my life or personhood), then I can't work with you, so no it is not irrelevant. (neither the "me" nor the "you" here refer to you or me personally ofc.)

Agreed. Your example could sound like exaggerated, but silence is a form of opinion, of vote, of approval. Even in a professional context, because work is part of the society we live in. This whole "DHH situation" with Rails has put my mind in weird position. I admire the Rails creator, the business man, the speaker. I admire what he builds, how passionate he is about his work and open-source software. But I very str…

Silence can also indicate disapproval.

Re: Gem.coop

#109

Post by byroot »

shevy-java wrote: post #96
byroot wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dropped the entirely because I am on mobile. We don’t have multiple first hand accounts. All we have is second hand account being relayed by someone with a massive axe to grind against Shopify. There are a lot of truly committed Rubyists at Shopify, particularly the one handling the relationship with Ruby Central. The idea that Shopify had done what Joel aledges without a single one of the involved parties on the S…

So you critisize Joel because he worked at Shopify. He pointed that out when he wrote the article. Let's add here that YOU also worked at Shopify, until recently. IF we are going to be critical, then let's be complete here. I actually think there is a lot of validity to the statement made that Shopify is NOT a neutral party here. We can dispute how much Shopify was involved, but to assume "all is unsubstantiated" whi…

> He pointed that out when he wrote the article.

Did he point out how it ended, and how he spent the better part of two years having public tantrums about it on Twitter?

Disclosing that you worked somewhere isn't relevant. Worse, it can easily give the impression that there is some insider knowledge involved.

What is relevant is how the relationship ended.

> Let's add here that YOU also worked at Shopify, until recently.

Yes, and I left over some major disagreements, hence if I have a bias, it would be against Shopify, not in favor.

Re: Gem.coop

#110

Post by ilvez »

baggy_trough wrote: post #74
mijoharas wrote: post #68

So, ignoring everything that got us here, what do people think about this? As I see it, there is the original rubygems, which has lost all of it's maintainers, and this new one, that has most of the original active maintainers? (how many were there before? it has most of the ones I think about, but I didn't know who was active over there. I mostly saw activity from deivid and didn't know about most of the others to b…

I personally cannot think of a new ruby gems or bundler feature from the past decade that I noticed or cared about. That isn't to say that there aren't any; I just don't know what they are.

They made bundler output compact, previously it spammed all installed versions and updates mixed, now you can see just updates if you do those for example.. or quite concise "all OK" if everything is as it should be. Small but really nice quality of life change imo
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