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Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

#101

Post by m-schuetz »

Razengan wrote: post #64
Spunkie wrote: post #15

In general the Tahoe update has been awful for all my end users that decided to update. It's not just electron apps that are the issue btw, just yesterday we ran into an issue with Zoom. It was breaking prompts/popups and by extension the system settings, the Mac app store, iTouch, and a ton of other random stuff was broken in silent and inconsistent ways. Also all my 8gb users are noticing significantly higher memor…

> It's not just electron apps that are the issue btw Electron ""apps"" were are and will always be the issue. Don't bundle a whole freakin web browser and ravish my battery and RAM just to show me a damn text box. A text box that won't even have all the built-in OS features or accessibility. Downvote this to hell but Electron is a crutch for lazy Frankensteins looking for lightning to revive a monster that should hav…

Dev UX is important, and the dev UX of Electron is pretty much unmatched.

If you want people to not use Electron, you'll need to provide an alternative that makes it just as easy to develop sophisticated, platform-independent applications. Otherwise, no amount of complaining about Electron will ever stop devs from using Electron.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

#102

Post by encom »

Kwpolska wrote: post #89
concinds wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suggest that everyone here stop submitting Feedback Assistant/Radar reports. Let teenagers, college students, adults and old people buy a new Mac, experience the bugs and lack of polish and let it affect Apple's brand, consumer's preferences, and their market behavior. Apple is too big to care about anything other than market consequences. Apple is fully aware that no one likes the Radar system, that no one feels t…

Too many Apple users consider Apple to be holy and will blame app vendors for OS bugs.

Apple is a fashion brand, and Apple users buy it for that reason, not because of any technical merit.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

#103

Post by sunaookami »

self_awareness wrote: post #81
gfehhffvvv wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Historically Windows was known for not causing this kind of breakage for even “(ab)users” of private APIs, common misusers, buggy users, etc. And even working around such issues on the OS side.

Yeah, Windows is actually known for bending the OS so that backward compatibility is preserved. They even added a GUI tab with Compatibility settings. But of course, Apple is not Microsoft, so they can do whatever they please. On Apple systems, non-working software on new macOS releases is a normal thing, maybe part of their philosophy.

>Windows is actually known for bending the OS so that backward compatibility is preserved

Such as... having two context menus ;)

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

#104

Post by blurrybird »

richrichardsson wrote: post #94
h05sz487b wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good that I went with 64 gigs for my last mac. But I'll wait for the first patch at least for this one.

I honestly can't figure out why people upgrade to the latest x.0.0 release of macOS. Wait for the x.1.0 : by that time Apple have fixed most of their bugs and software vendors have had time to do their side too.

Because they value secure devices. Apple don’t backport _all_ security patches.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

#105

Post by encom »

m-schuetz wrote: post #101
Razengan wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not just electron apps that are the issue btw Electron ""apps"" were are and will always be the issue. Don't bundle a whole freakin web browser and ravish my battery and RAM just to show me a damn text box. A text box that won't even have all the built-in OS features or accessibility. Downvote this to hell but Electron is a crutch for lazy Frankensteins looking for lightning to revive a monster that should hav…

Dev UX is important, and the dev UX of Electron is pretty much unmatched. If you want people to not use Electron, you'll need to provide an alternative that makes it just as easy to develop sophisticated, platform-independent applications. Otherwise, no amount of complaining about Electron will ever stop devs from using Electron.

I'm not a dev (by profession). I don't care about the you-ecks of developers. Electron creates objectively terrible software by every metric that matters for the end user.

>sophisticated

You confuse complexity for sophistication.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

#106

Post by ilumanty »

pavlov wrote: post #96

The problem is that Electron has been using an API clearly marked private by Apple, and they were doing it for purely cosmetic reasons (tweaking window corner masks). Now macOS can’t render these windows efficiently because they’re using the private method, so the window system can’t apply its standard rendering model. Framework developers need to have a much higher standard for when to use a private API. But I also…

A trusted source once told me that Mac OS 10 system libraries contain a bunch of shims so that Adobe apps may continue to misuse them the way they did in Mac OS 9. Now that they have a tight grip over the app ecosystem, they don’t even bother to help a major OSS framework that powers thousands of apps make the transition.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

#107

Post by encom »

raspasov wrote: post #99
dheera wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real problem is Apple being so stingy with RAM. I have 192GB of RAM on my (non-Apple) desktop and 96GB of RAM on my (non-Apple) laptop. I have never had memory issues with Electron apps, 200 Chrome tabs open, or pretty much anything, really.

Apple does have a 128GB laptop with M4 Max.

It starts at 5000 USD. Five. Thousand. Dollars.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

#108

Post by ezst »

m-schuetz wrote: post #101
Razengan wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not just electron apps that are the issue btw Electron ""apps"" were are and will always be the issue. Don't bundle a whole freakin web browser and ravish my battery and RAM just to show me a damn text box. A text box that won't even have all the built-in OS features or accessibility. Downvote this to hell but Electron is a crutch for lazy Frankensteins looking for lightning to revive a monster that should hav…

Dev UX is important, and the dev UX of Electron is pretty much unmatched. If you want people to not use Electron, you'll need to provide an alternative that makes it just as easy to develop sophisticated, platform-independent applications. Otherwise, no amount of complaining about Electron will ever stop devs from using Electron.

Dev UX is only good in that we regressed to the point that there's not much left but Web, and that's what the majority of devs know as a result. The Dev UX of the Web is pretty bad, though, compared to past and present alternatives, and I'm far from having as much fun putting together UXes for the Web as I was with older tech like Qt, Swing, JavaFX, etc (the tooling was better, more efficient, they had builders for rapid prototyping that were offering a more faithful representation of the design more quickly than figma ever will, etc).

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

#109

Post by Razengan »

concinds wrote: post #79
Spunkie wrote: post #15

In general the Tahoe update has been awful for all my end users that decided to update. It's not just electron apps that are the issue btw, just yesterday we ran into an issue with Zoom. It was breaking prompts/popups and by extension the system settings, the Mac app store, iTouch, and a ton of other random stuff was broken in silent and inconsistent ways. Also all my 8gb users are noticing significantly higher memor…

I suggest that everyone here stop submitting Feedback Assistant/Radar reports. Let teenagers, college students, adults and old people buy a new Mac, experience the bugs and lack of polish and let it affect Apple's brand, consumer's preferences, and their market behavior. Apple is too big to care about anything other than market consequences. Apple is fully aware that no one likes the Radar system, that no one feels t…

> I suggest that everyone here stop submitting Feedback Assistant/Radar reports.

We need an equivalent of the "Windows UX Taskforce” but for macOS/iOS (it was a website that pointed out and laughed at all the UI/UX flaws in Windows)

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

#110

Post by Razengan »

wiseowise wrote: post #71
Razengan wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not just electron apps that are the issue btw Electron ""apps"" were are and will always be the issue. Don't bundle a whole freakin web browser and ravish my battery and RAM just to show me a damn text box. A text box that won't even have all the built-in OS features or accessibility. Downvote this to hell but Electron is a crutch for lazy Frankensteins looking for lightning to revive a monster that should hav…

Okay gramps, time to take the meds.

Yeah like some cocaine just to sit through your slow unoptimized shit lol

Try learning more than 1 language for everything.

(not directed personally @ anyone, just a peeve at the many factors enabling the necessity of something like Electron)

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