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Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

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Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

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How does this square with the fact that we have solid evidence of water on Mars as well?

Mars is further out in the solar system, and I'm assuming it was further out than Theia when the collision occurred.

The article doesn't say no planets can have water, but just that originally Earth was too close to the Sun to have liquid water. Theia, according to this hypothesis, was not.

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

#102
What I don’t understand is how you define a single point (even if the point spans a million years) of “when the solar system formed.” They say the chemical composition of the Earth solidified “only 3 million years after the solar system formed” — isn’t the formation of the planets itself part of the formation of the solar system? How does one define the moment of formation? Or does this mean that we know with certainty that there was no physically consistent body one could identify as “Earth” 3 million years prior, and then within those 3 million years, it coalesced and solidified?

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

#104
I don't understand why all these volatiles (hydrogen, nitrogen) didn't evaporate during such huge collision, which likely melt the whole Earth's crust. Even if a temporary atmosphere was formed, with high post-impact temperatures this atmosphere can't stay long.

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

#105
post #4

This could mean in the Drake equation ne -number of planets capable of life- is very small. A planet has to be hit with a comet big enough to deliver a large amount of water but not so big or fast to destroy it. And be in the Goldilocks zone of the star. Also the mass of the planet would play a part - gravity of more massive ones would be more likely to capture a comet. But again, too massive and I could see that ham…

The Drake Equation is filled with assumptions, like life must appear on a planet in the Goldilocks zone of a star. The whole equation has only one datapoint to extrapolate from. Tweak the equation's parameters and it will predict universes that only have one civilization per galaxy or worse! We have no way of knowing what those parameters are because we haven't seen other examples. A major reason we are interested in…

Not really there’s always gonna be water comets in the frost zone.

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

#106

I don't understand why all these volatiles (hydrogen, nitrogen) didn't evaporate during such huge collision, which likely melt the whole Earth's crust. Even if a temporary atmosphere was formed, with high post-impact temperatures this atmosphere can't stay long.

As far as we know, molecules and atoms escaping into space comes due to the solar wind. Somehow the solar wind activates these atoms and carries them off into the distant vacuum, ad infinitum presumably though (I would imagine) limited by the heliopause.

[edit, benefiting from convo: mechanisms on atmospheric escape, to varying degrees of verification)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_escape

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrodynamic_escape ]

Absent that, our treasured atmospheric molecules would have to autonomousy achieve escape velocity, some 22 km/sec , with no outside assistance. A difficult feat. And so, resident atmosphere.

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

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post #54
post #6

Imagine this sci-fi plot twist: Aliens make live habitable by hitting proto-Earth with a planet, so life can sprout there. They calibrated it such a way that angular size of Moon is the same as of Sun.

The Moon was much closer to the Earth when it was formed. It's slowly becoming more distant. So the angular size has matched the Sun only for 450 million years. In 50 million years it's angular size will be smaller and total solar eclipses will be impossible. Note: Due to the Moon's orbit, the whole story is more complicated.

I know that. But in this scenario, aliens know the timescale of appearance of life intelligent enough it can appreciate solar eclipse.

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

#108

What I don’t understand is how you define a single point (even if the point spans a million years) of “when the solar system formed.” They say the chemical composition of the Earth solidified “only 3 million years after the solar system formed” — isn’t the formation of the planets itself part of the formation of the solar system? How does one define the moment of formation? Or does this mean that we know with certain…

> How does one define the moment of formation?

We don't. It's usually within a range. My illustrated book shows the timeline with more context and detail. Note that the events are provided on a timeline with some uncertainty (e.g., ± 1 million years):

https://impacts.to/downloads/lowres/impacts.pdf

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

#109
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The thing is that even for a super low probability event, the size of the universe is so huge and such events must be happening all the time. But numbers can go arbitrarily low.

And you have to have multiple low probability events. These probabilities multiply. We had a good start. A Jupiter to clear the debris, a Theia impact to create tides and contribute to tectonics, a magnetic core, a shielded atmosphere. We had water delivered to us. Maybe even panspermia. Maybe cell walls and mitochondria are hard. Maybe multicellular is hard. Maybe life on land is hard. Building lungs, rebuilding eye…

My pessimistic side says that the conditions for intelligent life are so implausible that we’re unique, and when we drain the planet dry of easily-accessible fossil fuels we’ve deprived any successor civilization of its opportunity to escape the planet.

Basically I fear we’re the universe’s only shot of appreciating and populating the galaxy (or beyond) and we’re on the brink of throwing that away.

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

#110
>was rich in volatile elements essential for life, such as hydrogen, carbon and sulphur.

Today years old on learning that 'carbon' is a 'volatile element'. (I come to learn that astrogeology has a unique definition of volatile).

• The summary's own source article points makes no reference to carbon being volatile.

• The wikipedia article for 'volatiles' in the astrogeological sense makes no reference to carbon being volatile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volatile_(astrogeology) . Similarly, the wikipedia article for 'refractory', posed as the astrogeological opposite of volatile, does not place carbon at all in the spectrum of volatile to refractory.

• Contra: at least two papers do refer to carbon being a volatile element. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05276-x and https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.18262

[shrug]

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