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Re: Fluid Glass

#101

Post by brookst »

tempodox wrote: post #95
esskay wrote: post #88

Cool concept, just please never ever do this in anything production, it's bad enough we've now got a mainline OS with such awful legibility.

Making everything illegible is necessary, so they can sell you a legible design as the next big revolution. Just not in one step. The return to legibility will be a multi part story with cliffhangers, betrayals and everything else it takes to keep you hooked and Apple in the news.

The world isn’t that conspiratorial.

The designers on Liquid Glass are proud of it, and also disappointed that some of the design system did not make it into v1.0 code, so the reality is less legible than the designs indicated.

There is no designer in the world making bad designs as part of some conspiracy to enable their employer to launch improved designs several years later. There’s no company that operates that way.

Re: Fluid Glass

#102

Post by Aerbil313 »

esskay wrote: post #88

Cool concept, just please never ever do this in anything production, it's bad enough we've now got a mainline OS with such awful legibility.

I’ll never understand this sentiment expressed online that Liquid Glass is bad design.

After reading how awful it is on HN, I upgraded to see it for myself. After some pondering it was obvious why Apple went with this design.

Today’s apps’ problem is every app has its own UI language, and users have to first learn that before being able to use an app. Apple recognized this. If you can’t see why it’s a problem, try to teach your mom or grandma how to use a new app.

To design a unified UI framework, you need a lot of things: common elements (e.g. date picker), typography (fonts, text styling), iconography (the same icon in every app for the Share button), etc. Both Apple annd Android vendors already have UI frameworks dictating these for native apps today.

The hard problem that remained unsolved until Liquid Glass is these UI toolkits can’t dictate a color for interactive elements, because every other app has its own, different color scheme. Any color you pick will inevitably look out of place in some apps. The answer here is, unsurprisingly, transparent elements.

But there is historically a huge issue with transparent elements, a hard problem where many previous attempts have failed: how can you make a transparent element (e.g a button) still be recognizable on various content?

Apple’s answer here works beautifully: make the controls appear floating an inch over the content, by mimicking the properties of the two most familiar physical transparent objects - water and glass.

Re: Fluid Glass

#104

Post by saurik »

brookst wrote: post #101
tempodox wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Making everything illegible is necessary, so they can sell you a legible design as the next big revolution. Just not in one step. The return to legibility will be a multi part story with cliffhangers, betrayals and everything else it takes to keep you hooked and Apple in the news.

The world isn’t that conspiratorial. The designers on Liquid Glass are proud of it, and also disappointed that some of the design system did not make it into v1.0 code, so the reality is less legible than the designs indicated. There is no designer in the world making bad designs as part of some conspiracy to enable their employer to launch improved designs several years later. There’s no company that operates that w…

Maybe legibility should be a ship condition on the first version of the code, not some final destination to eventually achieve. Or like, maybe they need to actually say that, when they claim this is the culmination of years of thought and effort, and that this is clearly the most amazing design ever, that they don't mean the thing they are actually pointing at.

Re: Fluid Glass

#107

Post by [deleted] »

andai wrote: post #74
jonplackett wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah was also expecting my phone to get very toasty but it did not. Great job!

I noticed this pattern that a page with some text and images is often too demanding for my phone: it becomes impossible to scroll the page smoothly. We simply do not have the technology yet to handle text and images in a consistent way! But anything involving 3D graphics (or 4K video) will run just fine.

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Re: Fluid Glass

#108

Post by sodality2 »

I love that zooming controls the resolution live, so you can speed up and slow down the animation at will. Might be unintentional but it's fun!

Re: Fluid Glass

#109

Post by DaiPlusPlus »

brookst wrote: post #101
tempodox wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Making everything illegible is necessary, so they can sell you a legible design as the next big revolution. Just not in one step. The return to legibility will be a multi part story with cliffhangers, betrayals and everything else it takes to keep you hooked and Apple in the news.

The world isn’t that conspiratorial. The designers on Liquid Glass are proud of it, and also disappointed that some of the design system did not make it into v1.0 code, so the reality is less legible than the designs indicated. There is no designer in the world making bad designs as part of some conspiracy to enable their employer to launch improved designs several years later. There’s no company that operates that w…

> There is no designer in the world making bad designs as part of some conspiracy to enable their employer to launch improved designs several years later. There’s no company that operates that way.

New Coke / Coke Classic

Windows Vista / Windows 7

Office 2007 / Office 2010

Re: Fluid Glass

#110

Post by timeon »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #109
brookst wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world isn’t that conspiratorial. The designers on Liquid Glass are proud of it, and also disappointed that some of the design system did not make it into v1.0 code, so the reality is less legible than the designs indicated. There is no designer in the world making bad designs as part of some conspiracy to enable their employer to launch improved designs several years later. There’s no company that operates that w…

> There is no designer in the world making bad designs as part of some conspiracy to enable their employer to launch improved designs several years later. There’s no company that operates that way. New Coke / Coke Classic Windows Vista / Windows 7 Office 2007 / Office 2010

> Windows Vista / Windows 7

It was same ugly design. But bug fixes are natural for later versions.

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