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Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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DSingularity wrote: post #77
bhouston wrote: post #28

Larry Ellison is ultra-pro Israel if you didn't know. He and others are pushing for Bari Weiss take a key role at CBS to better "defend Israel": https://nypost.com/2025/09/19/media/shari-redstone-says-bari... And many people are worried about a similar type of agenda setting at TikTok now: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/will-tiktoks-new-own... Netanyahu, for his part, believes it is super consequential for E…

If anybody even insinuates that Weiss or Ellison have dual loyalty because of this they will be accused of anti-semitism. The hard truth is that weaponizing your money — earned largely from Americans — to aid a foreign country at the expense of America is about as un-American as it gets. Aside from the potentially valid argument that your voice shouldn’t be louder just because you are a billionaire — you are corrupti…

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Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by potato3732842 »

specialist wrote: post #62
potato3732842 wrote: post #7

The fact that an out of touch billionaire might say such a thing doesn't bother me much, he's out of touch after all. The fact that we reliably and repeatedly see peasants (i.e. any less equal animal, so everyone here) who have no such excuse cheerleading for specific implementations in furtherance of their pet issues bothers me greatly. I'd say you ought to know better, but you do. When these subjects are discussed…

Since becoming politically active, my recurring facepalm is discovering that a whole lot of people don't see the world as I do. I just finished If We Burn by Vincent Bevins and When the Clock Broke by John Ganz One point (of many) repeatedly hammered home, with IRL examples, is that a whole lot of people demand Order, even at the expensive of Justice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_We_Burn https://www.goodreads.com…

My gripe is even more meta than that. It's an unwillingness to mentally grapple with what they're advocating for and if they do understand it then

Like if we want to run society with summary execution for petty thieves or inequality under the law or whatever then fine, but have the balls to say that, because without an understanding of the goals and acceptable tradeoffs we can't effectively pursue the goals without hitting unacceptable tradeoffs.

But people don't come out and say these things because if you reason about the implications it's pretty clear they're shit ideas so what people do instead is lie and misdirect and whatnot in order to advocate for "bad in principal, arguably positive in result" things on their pet issue. But when you multiply by everyone's pet issues we get the current garbage and current trajectory.

I think part of the problem is that as material plenty increases the number of people partaking in discourse because they have existential problems that need solving goes down so discourse is increasingly dominated by "fake problems". This is also why you're seeing a pendulum shift away from "feel good" policies toward more "tough decision" policies as it gets harder for people in the lower majority of society (70%, 80%, idk) to make ends meet. So basically I'm hopeful that things get more honest and more sane as we get poorer, which sucks, I guess, but hey, silver linings.

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by softwaredoug »

andsoitis wrote: post #76
bhouston wrote: post #28

Larry Ellison is ultra-pro Israel if you didn't know. He and others are pushing for Bari Weiss take a key role at CBS to better "defend Israel": https://nypost.com/2025/09/19/media/shari-redstone-says-bari... And many people are worried about a similar type of agenda setting at TikTok now: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/will-tiktoks-new-own... Netanyahu, for his part, believes it is super consequential for E…

what does this have to do with the story?

Well in part because Israel acts like a police state supported by a lot of Orwellian technology

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by lupusreal »

DSingularity wrote: post #77
bhouston wrote: post #28

Larry Ellison is ultra-pro Israel if you didn't know. He and others are pushing for Bari Weiss take a key role at CBS to better "defend Israel": https://nypost.com/2025/09/19/media/shari-redstone-says-bari... And many people are worried about a similar type of agenda setting at TikTok now: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/will-tiktoks-new-own... Netanyahu, for his part, believes it is super consequential for E…

If anybody even insinuates that Weiss or Ellison have dual loyalty because of this they will be accused of anti-semitism. The hard truth is that weaponizing your money — earned largely from Americans — to aid a foreign country at the expense of America is about as un-American as it gets. Aside from the potentially valid argument that your voice shouldn’t be louder just because you are a billionaire — you are corrupti…

"Dual loyalty" is kind of a joke for somebody like Ellison, because it implies a loyalty to America.

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by lupusreal »

andsoitis wrote: post #76
bhouston wrote: post #28

Larry Ellison is ultra-pro Israel if you didn't know. He and others are pushing for Bari Weiss take a key role at CBS to better "defend Israel": https://nypost.com/2025/09/19/media/shari-redstone-says-bari... And many people are worried about a similar type of agenda setting at TikTok now: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/will-tiktoks-new-own... Netanyahu, for his part, believes it is super consequential for E…

what does this have to do with the story?

How could Ellison's motivation for creating a surveillance state possibly not be relevant?

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

amval wrote: post #87
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a study shoehorn… Would his statements be better if he were pro-Gaza or something else?

Well, yes, it would be better if he didn't amplify propaganda for the country that is committing a genocide and would raise awareness for the victims. Is this not self-evident?

The point is this comes down to a foreign policy disagreement that isn’t germane to Ellison’s comments on surveillance. (I can come with a litany of policy disagreements with anyone of Ellison’s stature, some of which I probably feel about strongly.)

Read in good faith, it’s overzealous advocacy. In bad faith, which I don’t assume here, it serves to get this discussion flagged off the front page.

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by andsoitis »

close04 wrote: post #11

This goes double for him personally. I take his insistence on singing the praises for pervasive surveillance while avoiding it himself as an admission of him committing the worst crimes.

> admission of him committing the worst crimes.

such as?

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by js8 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #40
bhouston wrote: post #28

Larry Ellison is ultra-pro Israel if you didn't know. He and others are pushing for Bari Weiss take a key role at CBS to better "defend Israel": https://nypost.com/2025/09/19/media/shari-redstone-says-bari... And many people are worried about a similar type of agenda setting at TikTok now: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/will-tiktoks-new-own... Netanyahu, for his part, believes it is super consequential for E…

That’s a study shoehorn… Would his statements be better if he were pro-Gaza or something else?

It would certainly better support his statement that the people are on their best behavior if being monitored.

If his statement is true, then the real Larry Ellison (not publicly known one) is worse than a genocide supporter. He basically discredits himself by making that statement.

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