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Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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Post by mensetmanusman »

jacquesm wrote: post #86
thisisit wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realise Chinese form a large immigrant population in the US, right? And as much as I dislike saying this - Chinese government doesn’t want you talking about politics. Otherwise you should be mostly fine. While US government is going beyond politics. Pushing stuff like that autism and Tylenol connection on correlation study. That is going beyond politics and impacting academic and scientific analysis.

> You do realise Chinese form a large immigrant population in the US, right? Did I say anything that made you think otherwise, right? > And as much as I dislike saying this - Chinese government doesn’t want you talking about politics. Otherwise you should be mostly fine. Ahhh too bad then, because one of the things that I really like about the societies that I'd bet my life/money/health/other resources on is that I w…

CNN was reporting on the dangers of Tylenol during pregnancy less than 10 years ago.

Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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Post by fuzztester »

defrost wrote: post #90
arduanika wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The throwaway's comment has been flagged. Who was he joking about? Mozart? Freud? Arnie?

You can enable [Show Dead] in your profile preferences and see for yourself. It was the usual no effort reference to a failed Austrian artist who later led Germany.

Wow. Didn't know he was a failed artist.

To confirm, and also to check if big G's AI could infer it, I searched for:

a failed Austrian artist who later led Germany

Worked.

Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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Post by cjbgkagh »

hluska wrote: post #69
cjbgkagh wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not an academic so there could be some context I don’t know but upon reading it it’s even worse, grants for 2 years, looks more like a secondment than a coup.

According to primary sources, the program is actually for four years. The press release stated 48 months but that got printed in Reuters as two years.

That’ll definitely make it harder to go back which does make it more meaningful.

Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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Post by bigyabai »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #102
constantcrying wrote: post #2

How is 25 American takings jobs in Austria newsworthy?

It’s narrative building by the media owners. We get to see how they fight rhetorically through headlines.

But when it's one guy being hired by Meta, it's a landmark in private enterprise and irresistible reporting. Hmm...

Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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Post by bee_rider »

klipt wrote: post #74
bee_rider wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would you hear of somebody getting these funds? I don’t personally know anybody who’s gotten massive VC funding in the US either, but I think it does happen. I don’t see any reason to be skeptical of the requirement to find a female co-founder, I mean it is clearly a program to promote equality, but that is an uncontroversial goal in some places.

Suspicious that the EU claims to "promote gender equality" while turning a blind eye to the male only conscription perpetrated by EU members Austria, Finland, etc

It is a lot easier to come up with new rules for a project that requires proactively making investments (where it is assumed they will be selective anyway), than it is to convince a country to change their military policy.

Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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Post by j7ake »

charliebwrites wrote: post #26

Austria, and Vienna in particular has always held a special place in my heart Do we know if they have programs like this for high skill tech workers or is it just PhDs at this point?

Salary range there is like 30 to 70k euros

Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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Post by constantcrying »

ricardobeat wrote: post #81
constantcrying wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>25 people leaving is a sea change. 25 Academics leaving is not "sea change". >If you had tenure there (a big if, since the article is unclear), or even were tenure track, that was viewed as one of the most prestigious and desirable jobs in the world. Some very major ifs there.

For numbers, it's nearly 1% of all post-docs (~3400) in those three universities, leaving at once, to a single destination. You can do the math. It's a fact that the USA used to attract this talent, not export it.

Academics have always been leaving the US, just like Academics have always been coming to the US. A turnover in staff is normal, it has happened everywhere, always.

>It's a fact that the USA used to attract this talent, not export it.

And where is the evidence that it does not? People leaving is normal. Post-docs leave institution's all the time.

One additional thought. If you think this is about a right wing political shift in the US, why would these researcher go to one of the strongholds of the far right in Europe?

Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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Post by unixhero »

arduanika wrote: post #91
defrost wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can enable [Show Dead] in your profile preferences and see for yourself. It was the usual no effort reference to a failed Austrian artist who later led Germany.

Yeah, I could tell. I was playing dumb while pointing out some good Austrians. Didn't know about [Show Dead] though, thanks for the tip!

Take the opportunity and interest to read up on the history of WW2. It is a riveting read.

Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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Post by thisisit »

jacquesm wrote: post #86
thisisit wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realise Chinese form a large immigrant population in the US, right? And as much as I dislike saying this - Chinese government doesn’t want you talking about politics. Otherwise you should be mostly fine. While US government is going beyond politics. Pushing stuff like that autism and Tylenol connection on correlation study. That is going beyond politics and impacting academic and scientific analysis.

> You do realise Chinese form a large immigrant population in the US, right? Did I say anything that made you think otherwise, right? > And as much as I dislike saying this - Chinese government doesn’t want you talking about politics. Otherwise you should be mostly fine. Ahhh too bad then, because one of the things that I really like about the societies that I'd bet my life/money/health/other resources on is that I w…

> Did I say anything that made you think otherwise, right?

Yes this line made you seem ignorant.

>> Because China is so much more immigration and foreigner friendly?

The brain drain to China will not be based on immigrants or foreigners rather Chinese going back. Capisce?

And you seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing.

> Yes, the US is also on a bad path. But so is China. And they too push plenty of bullshit. How is that Tianmen Square investigation coming along?

Tiananmen Square happened in 1989. China has been on the "bad path" for years. No one is denying that. But that is not the same parallel as US government pushing hack medicines and correlation studies like autism and Tylenol. Find me an example of China doing that instead of going for the lowest denominator of "Tiananmen Square, see gotcha".

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