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You need memory on the GPU, not in the system itself (unless you have unified memory such as the M-architecture). So we're talking about cards like the H200 that have 141GB of memory and cost between 25 to 40k.

Did you casually glance at how the hardware in the Framework Desktop (Strix Halo) works before commenting?

These don't run 200B models at all, results show it can run 13B at best. 70B is ~3 tk / s according to someone on Reddit.

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I bought an GMKtec evo 2 that is a 128 GB unified memory system. Strong recommend.

That's AMD Ryzen AI Max+ 395, right? Lots of those boxes popping up recently, but isn't that dog slow? And I can't believe I'm saying this - but maybe RAM filled-up mac might be a better option?

I'm not buying a Mac. Period.

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post #69

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I bought an GMKtec evo 2 that is a 128 GB unified memory system. Strong recommend.

Interesting - do you need to take any special measures to get OSS genAI models to work on this architecture? Can you use inference engines like Ollama and vLLM off-the-shelf (as Docker containers) there, with just the Radeon 8060S GPU? What token rates do you achieve? (edit: corrected mistake w.r.t. the system's GPU)

I just use llama.cpp. It worked out of the box.

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#104
The Chinese are great. They are making major contributions to human civilization by open sourcing these models.

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Extremely impressive, but can one really run these >200B param models on prem in any cost effective way? Even if you get your hands on cards with 80GB ram, you still need to tie them together in a low-latency high-BW manner. It seems to me that small/medium sized players would still need a third party to get inference going on these frontier-quality models, and we're not in a fully self-owned self-hosted place yet. I…

I'm running them on GMKTec Evo 2.

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The open source models are no longer catching up. They are leading now.

It has been like that for a while now. At least since Deepseek R1.

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One downside is it has less knowledge of lesser known tools like orpc, which is easily fixed by something like context7

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#108
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As I mentioned yesterday - I recently needed to process hundreds of low quality images of invoices (for a construction project). I had a script that had used pil/opencv, pytesseract, and open ai as a fallback. It still has a staggering number of failures. Today I tried a handful of the really poor quality invoices and Qwen spat out all the information I needed without an issue. What's crazier is it gave me the boundi…

I’ve tried that too, trying to detect the scan layout to get better OCR, but it didn’t really beat a fine-tuned Qwen 2.5 VLM 7B. I’d say fine-tuning is the way to go

what fine tuning approach did you use?

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post #69

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I bought an GMKtec evo 2 that is a 128 GB unified memory system. Strong recommend.

That's AMD Ryzen AI Max+ 395, right? Lots of those boxes popping up recently, but isn't that dog slow? And I can't believe I'm saying this - but maybe RAM filled-up mac might be a better option?

Yes, but the mac costs 3-4x more. You can get one of these 395 systems with 96GB for ~1k.

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Roughly 1/10 the cost of Opus 4.1, 1/2 the cost of Sonnet 4 on per token inference basis. Impressive. I'd love to see a fast (groq style) version of this served. I wonder if the architecture is amenable.

Isnt it a 3x rate difference? 0.7$ for Qwen3-VL vs 3$ for Sonnet 4?

Openrouter had $8-ish / 1M tokens for Qwen and $15/M for Sonnet 4 when I checked
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