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Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by Kverml »

wkat4242 wrote: post #77
sterlind wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an American, and our politicians are starting to discuss forcibly institutionalizing all trans people. living my days out in a padded cell is not my idea of liberty, thank you. I'm getting out of here.

I'm so sorry this is happening to you and the rest of the community. And I don't get why they pick on the trans community so much. Apart from not aligning with their personal religious views, what else has a trans person ever done to a cis one? Most trans people I know are super respectful especially because they know what it's like to deal with bigotry every day. I mean when they go after drug gangs, at least there'…

I think the fact that it's such an insignificant group makes fueling resentment towards them a better bandwagon for less popular goals from their sponsors. Minorities have less influence to push back and there's less people defending groups they have no contact with in their daily life. Targeting people based on ethnicity also doesn't have to be a goal in itself. Both sides of the spectrum benefit from escalating racial tensions when it helps them get the momentum to fulfill the fiduciary duty to their backers.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by alephnerd »

pessimizer wrote: post #43
whatshisface wrote: post #40

Who would be allowed to configure the scanners and receive the reports, an EU security body, or the member states?

I would have to assume Palantir or Crowdstrike's new European divisions.

The EU and most conglomerates within the EU have been using Crowdstrike for almost a decade now. If they don't use CRWD they use Microsoft Defender, PANW Cortex, or SentinelOne.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by maxdo »

You westerners are way too delusional about the world we’re living in.

I just had a conversation with American colleagues about life in Europe. And the things that stood out were “cookies policy,” trash recycling, and such trivialities.

Meanwhile, Europe is already at war. China openly wants to dismantle the good life Americans take for granted. Their news is full of militaristic propaganda, day after day.

This isn’t the 90s. It’s not the 1950s either. You didn’t “win” the war. You cant build, you can’t manufacture. And yet you talk about freedom?

Reality is going to catch up very soon. Many of you will lose not just your comfortable lives but your freedom too.

Take Denmark’s policy with LLM monitoring. What’s wrong with that? China and Russia do it already — and they benefit. That’s how you prevent both external and internal threats. That’s how you build a strong state.

If your adversary monitors and you don’t, you’re already in a losing position.

And don’t forget — the subject country is directly part of the brewing conflict in the Baltic Sea with Russia.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by speff »

maxdo wrote: post #103

You westerners are way too delusional about the world we’re living in. I just had a conversation with American colleagues about life in Europe. And the things that stood out were “cookies policy,” trash recycling, and such trivialities. Meanwhile, Europe is already at war. China openly wants to dismantle the good life Americans take for granted. Their news is full of militaristic propaganda, day after day. This isn’t…

Manufacturing:

> The United States is the world's second-largest manufacturer after the People's Republic of China with a record high real output in 2024 of $2.913 trillion [0]

I believe the US' manufacturing capability is the core of your comment and I also believe it's incorrect. Sure we don't manufacture fast-fashion or junk products and we may have lost quite a bit of tribal knowledge[1] with respect to that. But it's nothing that can't be re-gained.

And the benefits China and the Russia get from their spying programs? Americans by-and-large simply do not care about them. Denmark can do whatever they want with their tech as long as their citizens approve. Like you said, they're in a different position given their geographic location - thus, they have different priorities. But Americans do not feel like they have such an existential threat so they are (generally) not willing to give up their privacy.

Whether "reality" catches up to your predictions remains to be seen.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_in_the_United_St...

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZTGwcHQfLY

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by shirro »

When all the commercial software is backdoored the criminals are going to use open source alternatives. Suddenly all my devices, my family and the tech community are in the cross-hairs of law enforcement. I don't want to be one of the new victims of another war on drugs mess. We have enough real criminals for the courts and law enforcement to handle without creating a whole new lot out of law abiding people.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by budududuroiu »

nawgz wrote: post #18
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a joke, heavily sarcastic ("common-sense tech control"), but there is a grain of truth. It's inspired after all the victory laps HN had about the EU's moral superiority after GDPR, sideloading, USB-C, not being America in 2024, only for this to shatter all illusions. Flagged now, but HN has always been terrible at anything not delivered in a mundane tone of boredom.

> HN has always been terrible at anything not delivered Nah, you're being dishonest. Your "joke" doesn't really make sense though, the US clearly IS turning into a fascist state and whether or not another group has similar politic is legitimately completely irrelevant.

Just because the US is marginally ahead of the EU on the timeline.

The EU welfare state is being dismantled for profit, 2016 Trumpian politics have finally landed on European shores, oligarchy, etc.

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