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Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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Re: Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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Post by ares623 »

makk wrote: post #98
ares623 wrote: post #77

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Then there's the 3rd leg of the triangle. If a startup built with AI does end up going past the rest of the pack, they will have no technical moat since the AI provider or someone else can just use the same AI to build it.

How frequently is a technical moat the thing that makes a business successful, relative to other moats?

I mean, if taxi companies could build their own Uber in house I’m sure they’d love to and at least take some customers from Uber itself.

A lot of startups are middlemen with snazzy UIs. Middlemen won’t be in as much use in a post AI world, same as devs won’t be as needed (devs are middlemen to working software) or artists (middlemen to art assets)

Re: Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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Post by awesome_dude »

catlifeonmars wrote: post #49
awesome_dude wrote: post #39

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> IIRC Sam Altman has explicitly said that their plan is to develop AGI and then ask it how to get rich. There are still lots of currently known problems that could be solved with the help of AI that could make a lot of money - what is the weather going to be when I want to fly to in n weeks/months time, currently we can only say "the destination will be in which is typically " What crops yield the best return next s…

The weather thing doesn’t seem… realistic. Have you heard of chaotic systems?

If anyone needs an example of an extremely limited imagination, matched with a strong need to attack anyone that dares to think what could be... then look no further than this guy and this thread.

Re: Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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Post by rf15 »

If we can create an AGI, then an an AGI can likely create more AGIs, and at that point you're trying to sell people things they can just have for free/traditional money and power are worthless now. Thus, an AGI will not be built as a commercial solution.

Re: Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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Post by tbossanova »

chii wrote: post #85
nostrademons wrote: post #41

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I've noticed this as well. It's a huge boon for startups, because it means that a lot of functions that you would previously need to hire specialists for (logo design! graphic design! programming! copywriting!) can now be brought in-house, where the founder just does a "good enough" job using AI. And for those that can't (legal, for example, or various SaaS vendors) the AI usually has a good idea of what services you…

> ironic if AI actually ended up destroying economic activity that's not destroying economic activity - it's removing a less efficient activity and replace it with a more efficient version. This produces economic surplus. Imagine saying this for someone digging a hole, that if they use a mechanical digger instead of a hand shovel, they'd destroy economic activity since it now cost less to dig that hole!

Until everyone has a personal fully automatic hole digger and there are holes being dug everywhere and nobody can tell any more where is the right and wrong place to dig holes

Re: Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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Post by uncircle »

fulafel wrote: post #82
DrewADesign wrote: post #80

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The only thing better than a substandard, derivative, inexpertly produced product is 10x more of it by 10x more people at the same time.

It all started going wrong with the printing press.

Rousseau speaks of this.

Re: Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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Post by raincole »

Gigachad wrote: post #69
Waterluvian wrote: post #17

I think the interesting idea with “AI” is that it seems to significantly reduce barriers to entry in many domains. I haven’t seen a company convincingly demonstrate that this affects them at all. Lots of fluff but nothing compelling. But I have seen many examples by individuals, including myself. For years I’ve loved poking at video game dev for fun. The main problem has always been art assets. I’m terrible at art an…

It's good for prototypes, where you want to test the core gameplay ideas without investing a ton early on. But you're going to have to replace those assets with real ones before going live because people will notice.

People will notice and still buy it if your game has done something else right. Source:

https://www.totallyhuman.io/blog/the-surprising-new-number-o...

Re: Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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Post by 59nadir »

chii wrote: post #85
nostrademons wrote: post #41

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I've noticed this as well. It's a huge boon for startups, because it means that a lot of functions that you would previously need to hire specialists for (logo design! graphic design! programming! copywriting!) can now be brought in-house, where the founder just does a "good enough" job using AI. And for those that can't (legal, for example, or various SaaS vendors) the AI usually has a good idea of what services you…

> ironic if AI actually ended up destroying economic activity that's not destroying economic activity - it's removing a less efficient activity and replace it with a more efficient version. This produces economic surplus. Imagine saying this for someone digging a hole, that if they use a mechanical digger instead of a hand shovel, they'd destroy economic activity since it now cost less to dig that hole!

It doesn't cost less to get the thing you actually want in the end anyway, no one in their right mind would actually launch with the founder's AI-produced assets because they'd be laughed out of the market immediately. They're placeholders at best, so you're still going to need to get a professional to do them eventually.

Re: Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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Post by raincole »

lelanthran wrote: post #90
IAmGraydon wrote: post #61

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I'm wondering a good way to create 2D sprite sheets with transparency via AI. That would be a game changer, but my research has led me to believe that there isn't a good tool for this yet. One sprite is kind of doable, but a sprite animation with continuity between frames seems like it would be very difficult. Have you figured out a way to do this?

I dont use AI for image generation so I dont know how possible this is, but why not generate a 3D model for blender to ingest, then grab 2D frames from the model for the animation?

Because, uh, literally everything. But the main reason is that modeling is actually the easy (easiest) part of the workflow. Rigging/animating/rendering in the 2D style you want are bigger hurdles. And SOTA AIs don't even do modeling that well.

Re: Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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Post by hx8 »

59nadir wrote: post #108
chii wrote: post #85

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> ironic if AI actually ended up destroying economic activity that's not destroying economic activity - it's removing a less efficient activity and replace it with a more efficient version. This produces economic surplus. Imagine saying this for someone digging a hole, that if they use a mechanical digger instead of a hand shovel, they'd destroy economic activity since it now cost less to dig that hole!

It doesn't cost less to get the thing you actually want in the end anyway, no one in their right mind would actually launch with the founder's AI-produced assets because they'd be laughed out of the market immediately. They're placeholders at best, so you're still going to need to get a professional to do them eventually.

We see plenty of AI produced output being the final product and not just a placeholder.
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