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Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

#101

Top employees, ones that can easily get jobs elsewhere, are just going to leave and find ones without RTO. Employees that don't feel confident in their abilities to perform in the job market are going to show up in the office to keep their job.

If that's true, and the employees who can survive brutal tech interviews will leave, it's kind of like an algo for finding a local minimum of talent for the shop enforcing RTO.

Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

#102

The only thing I hated worse than going into the office was our remote employees, who never seemed to be available when you needed them, had their status set to Away (or wouldn't respond for hours if they were green). It was a privilege, people abused it, and now it's over. And managers were the worst offenders.

At our company some people outright admitted on a survey sent out to employees that they would go out and run errands during work hours. Like, how stupid do you have to be to kill your golden goose of life work balance?

> that they would go out and run errands during work hours

So? I do this when I work in an office, and I do this when I work remote. If someone doesn't like it, they can go screw. I put in my hours, and I get my work done.

I don't see what this has to do with remote work. Although I also don't see why anyone would care.

Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

#103

The only thing I hated worse than going into the office was our remote employees, who never seemed to be available when you needed them, had their status set to Away (or wouldn't respond for hours if they were green). It was a privilege, people abused it, and now it's over. And managers were the worst offenders.

Reading this comment I can't help but imagine a high school student using the same pattern to respond to an "open period" being changed to "study hall" with mandatory in-library presence; which is not to dig on you, just to raise the idea that maybe k-12 education really is a conspiracy to train people to sit in factories.

How/can we "montessori-fy"?

Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Having done years in both settings, random non-work related discussions were always more prevalent in office type atmospheres. Whether you realize it or not, these are team-building exercises. It brings people closer, sometimes too close (I slept with one of them lol), but overall this is a net plus for team dynamics. It's really hard to bond with people exclusively through chat. Especially if you hide behind an an…

>It's really hard to bond with people exclusively through chat. Especially if you hide behind an anime avatar or refuse to switch on your video. If they are not bonding virtually, I don't see how much better that relation is going to be when I force these people to be in a corporate space.

I worked in MS Vancouver office

It's a little special since most people there were due to visa issues preventing them working in Seattle

It was too cold. Open layout with people yelling on calls

I'd wander around for a few hours, then go home to actually work. I only had one coworker on same team there

Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

#106

The only thing I hated worse than going into the office was our remote employees, who never seemed to be available when you needed them, had their status set to Away (or wouldn't respond for hours if they were green). It was a privilege, people abused it, and now it's over. And managers were the worst offenders.

I've experienced it both ways. The least available and responsive workers were remote, but the most available and responsive workers were also remote.

Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

#107

Terrible. Especially given that the Seattle area has terrible traffic and also issues with safety on public transportation (like many other cities in America). What is the point exactly of getting workers into an office just so they can be on Zoom calls (or Teams, in this case)? This seems a lot like what Amazon was accused of - a way to shake out some workers and get them to quit when they cannot rearrange their lif…

I worked at Microsoft pre and post-pandemic. Microsoft has an extensive shuttle network, but the public transit (Sound Transit) to the office was nicer in many ways. It ran more frequently and the seats reclined!

The Connect shuttles are pretty bad if you live anywhere in South King County or north of U-village. The drop-off points aren't near transit stations.

Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

#108
post #66

Commute time should be salaried time. Then the whole office/home work discussion could be taken with the true costs involved.

Sounds a bit extreme, but OTOH this is what tradesfolk typically do - charge $100 to ring your doorbell and take it from there, since it does cost them money just to get to you.

Still, even if there is some sort of justification (moreso if the company chooses to locate themselves away from residential/affordable areas), I'm not sure how you would avoid abuse. Maybe just pay employees a fixed amount for each day they are required to drive to the office ?

Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

#109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a more nuanced take here. For low performing or junior employees, remote work was generally a terrible thing that led to less productivity (and more managerial overhead). For strongly performing employees with obligations at home, there were many who preferred working at home. I fall more into the latter camp (at least I hope so) and, given I've only worked in nice offices with catered lunches, gyms, video gam…

Remote work used to be an earned privilege. Then COVID hit and everyone got a taste of it. Including the folks who discovered they could get paid to stay home and play video games and jackin' off during work hours. In a way you could say this group ruined it for everyone. But that's usually how these things go. The hammer comes down on everyone because otherwise it leads to uncomfortable questions like "why does HE g…

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Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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post #105
post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's really hard to bond with people exclusively through chat. Especially if you hide behind an anime avatar or refuse to switch on your video. If they are not bonding virtually, I don't see how much better that relation is going to be when I force these people to be in a corporate space.

I worked in MS Vancouver office It's a little special since most people there were due to visa issues preventing them working in Seattle It was too cold. Open layout with people yelling on calls I'd wander around for a few hours, then go home to actually work. I only had one coworker on same team there

>Open layout with people yelling on calls

I would never again want to put up with it.

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