Top employees, ones that can easily get jobs elsewhere, are just going to leave and find ones without RTO. Employees that don't feel confident in their abilities to perform in the job market are going to show up in the office to keep their job.
Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office
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#102The only thing I hated worse than going into the office was our remote employees, who never seemed to be available when you needed them, had their status set to Away (or wouldn't respond for hours if they were green). It was a privilege, people abused it, and now it's over. And managers were the worst offenders.
At our company some people outright admitted on a survey sent out to employees that they would go out and run errands during work hours. Like, how stupid do you have to be to kill your golden goose of life work balance?
So? I do this when I work in an office, and I do this when I work remote. If someone doesn't like it, they can go screw. I put in my hours, and I get my work done.
I don't see what this has to do with remote work. Although I also don't see why anyone would care.
Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office
#103The only thing I hated worse than going into the office was our remote employees, who never seemed to be available when you needed them, had their status set to Away (or wouldn't respond for hours if they were green). It was a privilege, people abused it, and now it's over. And managers were the worst offenders.
How/can we "montessori-fy"?
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Having done years in both settings, random non-work related discussions were always more prevalent in office type atmospheres. Whether you realize it or not, these are team-building exercises. It brings people closer, sometimes too close (I slept with one of them lol), but overall this is a net plus for team dynamics. It's really hard to bond with people exclusively through chat. Especially if you hide behind an an…
>It's really hard to bond with people exclusively through chat. Especially if you hide behind an anime avatar or refuse to switch on your video. If they are not bonding virtually, I don't see how much better that relation is going to be when I force these people to be in a corporate space.
It's a little special since most people there were due to visa issues preventing them working in Seattle
It was too cold. Open layout with people yelling on calls
I'd wander around for a few hours, then go home to actually work. I only had one coworker on same team there
Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office
#106The only thing I hated worse than going into the office was our remote employees, who never seemed to be available when you needed them, had their status set to Away (or wouldn't respond for hours if they were green). It was a privilege, people abused it, and now it's over. And managers were the worst offenders.
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#107Terrible. Especially given that the Seattle area has terrible traffic and also issues with safety on public transportation (like many other cities in America). What is the point exactly of getting workers into an office just so they can be on Zoom calls (or Teams, in this case)? This seems a lot like what Amazon was accused of - a way to shake out some workers and get them to quit when they cannot rearrange their lif…
I worked at Microsoft pre and post-pandemic. Microsoft has an extensive shuttle network, but the public transit (Sound Transit) to the office was nicer in many ways. It ran more frequently and the seats reclined!
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#108Commute time should be salaried time. Then the whole office/home work discussion could be taken with the true costs involved.
Still, even if there is some sort of justification (moreso if the company chooses to locate themselves away from residential/affordable areas), I'm not sure how you would avoid abuse. Maybe just pay employees a fixed amount for each day they are required to drive to the office ?
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have a more nuanced take here. For low performing or junior employees, remote work was generally a terrible thing that led to less productivity (and more managerial overhead). For strongly performing employees with obligations at home, there were many who preferred working at home. I fall more into the latter camp (at least I hope so) and, given I've only worked in nice offices with catered lunches, gyms, video gam…
Remote work used to be an earned privilege. Then COVID hit and everyone got a taste of it. Including the folks who discovered they could get paid to stay home and play video games and jackin' off during work hours. In a way you could say this group ruined it for everyone. But that's usually how these things go. The hammer comes down on everyone because otherwise it leads to uncomfortable questions like "why does HE g…
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
>It's really hard to bond with people exclusively through chat. Especially if you hide behind an anime avatar or refuse to switch on your video. If they are not bonding virtually, I don't see how much better that relation is going to be when I force these people to be in a corporate space.
I worked in MS Vancouver office It's a little special since most people there were due to visa issues preventing them working in Seattle It was too cold. Open layout with people yelling on calls I'd wander around for a few hours, then go home to actually work. I only had one coworker on same team there
I would never again want to put up with it.