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Re: I'm absolutely right

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Post by peepee1982 »

kuschku wrote: post #51
ZaoLahma wrote: post #34

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I find the GPT-5 model having turned the friendliness way, way down. Topics that previously would have rendered long and (usefully) engaging conversations are now met with an "ok cool" kind of response. I get it - we don't want LLMs to be reinforces of bad ideas, but sometimes you need a little positivity to get past a mental barrier and do something that you want to do, even if what you want to do logically doesn't…

How would a "conversation" with an LLM influence what you decide to do, what you decide to code? It's not like the attitude of your potato peeler is influencing how you cook dinner, so why is this tool so different for you?

I have two potato peelers. If the one I like better is in the dishwasher I am not peeling potatoes. If one of my children wants to join me when I'm already peeling potatoes, I'll give them the preferred one and use the other one myself.

But I will not start peeling potatoes with the worse one.

Re: I'm absolutely right

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Post by peepee1982 »

kuschku wrote: post #58
ZaoLahma wrote: post #54

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Might tell it "I want to do this stupid thing" and it goes "ok cool". Previously it would have gone "Oh really? Fantastic! How do you intend to solve x?" and off you go.

But why does this affect your own attitude? Do the suggestions given by your phone's keyboard whenever you type something affect your attitude in the same way? If not, why is ChatGPT then affecting your attitude?

This sounds like a contrarian troll question. Every tool we use has an effect on our attitudes in many subtle and sometimes not so subtle ways. It's one of the reasons so many of us are obsessed with tools.

Re: I'm absolutely right

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inetknght wrote: post #98
Anduia wrote: post #35

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When you click the thumbs down icon, imagine it is a more dynamic gesture

You're absolutely right! Unfortunately I can't change the thumbs down button. But your imagination can! You might imagine it "punching down" instead! Do you often feel like you need to punch things? Here are some totally-not-hallucinated relevant links about anger issues: [0]: htts://punchingdown.anger/ [1]: http://fixinganger/.com [3]: url://uscs.science/government-grants/research/anger/humans/anger/?.html [3]: tel:…

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Re: I'm absolutely right

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Post by boredtofears »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #21
diggan wrote: post #17

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Maybe I'm old or just wrong, but "dark pattern" for me means "intentionally misleading" which doesn't seem to be the case here, this is more of a "add liveliness so users can see it's not static data" with no intention of misleading, since it seems to be true that the data is actually dynamic.

I wouldn't go so far as to call this specific implementation a dark pattern, but it is misleading. It suggests the data updated right when I loaded the page, which obviously isn't true as I can see the same 16->17 transition on a refresh. I'd prefer a "Data last updated at " indicator somewhere. Now I know it's live data and I know how old the data is. Is it as cute / friendly / fun? Probably not. But it's definitely…

On that note, the font isn't symmetrical and the bar graph itself uses jagged lines. This makes it hard to read and much less precise. I'd prefer all websites in monospaced fonts with only the straightest of lines.

Re: I'm absolutely right

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Post by scoopertrooper »

yoavfr wrote: post #8
latexr wrote: post #4

As I opened the website, the “16” changed to “17”. This looked interesting, as if the data were being updated live just as I loaded the page. Alas, a refresh (and quick check in the Developer Tools) reveals it’s fake and always does the transition. It’s a cool effect, but feels like a dirty trick.

Sorry if that felt dirty - I thought about it as a signal that the data is live (it is!).

Weird the screen goes 18, 19, 21, then back to 18 and cycles again.

(On iPad Safari)

Re: I'm absolutely right

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Post by peepee1982 »

kuschku wrote: post #80
ZaoLahma wrote: post #70

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Using your potato peeler example: If my potato peeler told me "Why bother? Order pizza instead." I'd be obese. An LLM can directly influence your willingness to pursue an idea by how it responds to it. Interest and excitement, even if simulated, is more likely to make you pursue the idea than "ok cool".

> If my potato peeler told me "Why bother? Order pizza instead." I'd be obese. But why do you let yourself be influenced so much by others, or in this case, random filler words from mindless machines? You should listen to your own feelings, desires, and wishes, not anything or anyone else. Try to find the motivation inside of you, try to have the conversation with yourself instead of with ChatGPT. And if someone tell…

You are influenced just as much. You're just not aware of it.

Also, I think you're completely missing the point of the conversation by glancing over the nuances of what is being said and relying on completely overgeneralizing platitudes and assumptions that in no way address the original sentiment.

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