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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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The idea of Framework laptops sounds great! But I’m wondering: has anyone done an economic analysis comparing buying a Framework laptop a few years ago and gradually upgrading it, versus buying a similar popular brand laptop and just upgrading by getting a new model? I’m not trolling, I’m genuinely considering Framework as my next laptop.

I think a large economic value also comes from repair-ability. If nothing ever breaks (until battery dies), I don't think anyone can compete with entry level MacBook in terms of experience/price.

I’ve had to get a couple MacBook Airs and MacBook Pros repaired by Apple when we took over an office that didn’t have IT staff.

It was surprisingly not as expensive as I thought it would be. There are also 3rd party options that will swap in parts for you or try to repair things.

It’s not as satisfying as ordering the parts and changing it out yourself but at this point I don’t prioritize repairs or failures in my buying decisions any more.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I literally just want a touchpad with buttons. These new 'clickpads' are the bane of my existence. They are so much slower, and certain workflows are impossible. I must use an external mouse now with modern laptops. Why can no laptop manufacturer even make this an option ?

Thinkpads still have buttons. I don't ever use the trackpad, just the nub and buttons.

I have bad news for you:

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadp/th...

Someone should scoop up the niche market of anguished ThinkPad devotees, with a TrackPoint and a good, non-chiclet keyboard. Maybe Framework, leveraging its modular system. Maybe a Framework-compatible third-party.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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I'm happy to answer questions around the new product.

Not a question about the Framework Laptop 16 specifically, but why are the upgrade kits[0] for the Laptop 13 still marked as "register interest" on the Framework Marketplace? The Ryzen AI 300 motherboards, RAM, and Wi-fi cards are all available separately already. [0] https://frame.work/products/framework-laptop-13-mainboard-ki...

Ah, great question. I'll flag this to the team.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Problem is none of the trackpad on PC are as good as the Apple trackpad

Hardware-wise, no, I've had plenty of PC trackpads that are better than Apple trackpads. But MacOS tends to have better built-in support for advanced gestures, which seem to be impossible on Windows and must be manually configured on Linux (but gives you enormous power once you do).

Using Gnome (for whatever reason), I'm used to two finger scrolling and three finger swiping just working by default.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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I am wondering about the RAM extensibility. The 7040 can be extended to have 128GB RAM (for example Crucial CT2K64G56C46S5) - anyone knows if the same still works?

We're testing those specific modules now. Initial testing shows that it should work the same as on 7040 Series, but we will complete validation before updating our Knowledge Base article on memory compatibility.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I literally just want a touchpad with buttons. These new 'clickpads' are the bane of my existence. They are so much slower, and certain workflows are impossible. I must use an external mouse now with modern laptops. Why can no laptop manufacturer even make this an option ?

> Why can no laptop manufacturer even make this an option? Because it’s a variation of both the case and the internals that brings a higher failure rate, more dust ingress, more moving parts, and, most importantly, would rarely be chosen. > They are so much slower, They are objectively faster because you can click anywhere rather than moving a finger to a button or keeping one finger always on the button.

Some people used to use a separate finger like the thumb to click, which is pretty fast.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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The idea of Framework laptops sounds great! But I’m wondering: has anyone done an economic analysis comparing buying a Framework laptop a few years ago and gradually upgrading it, versus buying a similar popular brand laptop and just upgrading by getting a new model? I’m not trolling, I’m genuinely considering Framework as my next laptop.

The problem your overlooking is not just the upgrade vs new cost, but also the parts issue.

Buying a brand new Framework tend to be more expensive then a ~ Chinese Laptop.

*New vs Upgrade*

In general, you can sell a second hand laptop at around 50% of the original price, about 2 years down the line (assuming you did not damage it).

So a new upgrade will be 50% cheaper. For that you tend to get (depending on the generation jump), more storage, more memory, potential better screen, faster CPU.

While a Framework upgrade may mean you gain a new Motherbord+CPU for the price of that equivalent laptop. But here you run into another economic issue. Sure, you can transplant your 2100mhz memory but what if 2660 is the standard. So you CPU upgrade is going to get throttled.

*Changes*

What if memory changed with a inner generational. So now that memory you had before is useless. You can recover some value, but are still forced to buy the generation memory.

That wifi card, 5e ... great, but now your getting maybe 6 standard in a new laptop.

Also do not forget, your laptop will have more wear and tear vs a new device. Keyboard may become a issue. Your oled screen may have reduced coloring after 1 or 2 generation of usage (oleds suffer from high screen brightness, and laptop are more often in locations like outdoors that run at 100% brightness).

*Compatibility*

What about compatibility? Maybe you had a Intel based Framework laptop, with a intel wifi card. The problem is, some intel wifi cards need specific intel instructions onboard the CPU. So now you upgraded to AMD but your wifi card becomes useless.

Yes, a new laptop is rolling the dice regarding defects or other issues. But so is upgrading a framework. The problem is, your getting all the not so fun parts of a desktop's upgradability, without the cost saving potential of a desktop.

*Resell issue*

Selling your framework memory, wifi card etc will not be a big issue. But the moment you want to sell a older part, now what? Great that you upgraded from 1080p screen to 4k by yourself, but who is going to buy your 1080p screen? Your at best looking at a small market of framework owners, and a even smaller market of framework owners that need a new screen (maybe to replace a damaged one).

What about the bezel changes? What about the keyboard? What is your buyers market. Sure, maybe you can sell your old MB/CPU but even that is a VERY specialized market of people, who maybe need one to repair their framework, or want a custom nas (cheaper to just buy a mini-pc from the dozens of Chinese brands) or the few people who run a very old framework mb, and upgrade (what about their selling 2+ generation old MB/CPU combo).

*Buyers*

Framework really is for people who do not like to change laptops / get used to new ones, and who have no issue taking in the extra costs of those upgrade potential. But then again, i see people running macbooks M1's still (darm good laptops), for 5 years. They did not need the upgrade path.

It really depends on you, what you really value. But from a economic point of view, your not going to be cheaper in the long run with a framework, and that is not the selling point also.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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I just bought a Framework 16 7840HS last week and now it's 7% off. Guess I should have waited a little longer. Glad to see they're committing to upgrades for it, though, so I guess it was still a good investment

> I just bought a 7840HS and now it's 7% off Write them and ask if you could get the rebate. The times I've had this happened to me when shopping from small/medium-sized businesses they've been nice enough to either give me a refund for the difference, or at least a coupon for future purchases.

Correct. Please reach out to our support team and they can help out on this.
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