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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by linuxftw »

lokar wrote: post #77
sunshine-o wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the only power they have left. The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island so now the bureaucrats play a fantasy game where they are gonna enforce their rules and dominion in their former colonies or the digital world.

While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.

> AIUI, the UK is a democracy

The House of Lords disagrees and the Monarch disagree. Sometimes they cosplay as a democracy.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by shkkmo »

Fanofilm wrote: post #67
nickdothutton wrote: post #22

Step 1, pass law. Step 2, demand compliance. Step 3, upon not hearing of compliance, levy fines. Step 4, upon non payment of fines, declare in breach of (2). Step 5, block site from UK using DNS, in the same manner as torrent sites etc. 5 was always the goal, 2 to 4 are largely just performative.

Step 6: The facebook / Instragram / X equivalents then lose their ad revenue. They then may capitulate to keep the ad revenue. See BlueSky just rolled out Terms ToS that the automated UN Safety (censorship) laws they will accept. This is an automated pipeline for the "censorship demand data notice" can be applied in an automated why. It is plumbing for automating censorship. See "DSA" part of those laws and how BlueS…

> See BlueSky just rolled out Terms ToS that the automated UN Safety (censorship) laws they will accept. This is an automated pipeline for the "censorship demand data notice" can be applied in an automated why.

I feel like you are missing some words or have some typos because this isn't comprehensible English.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by lenerdenator »

_heimdall wrote: post #30
zdragnar wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tariff was oppressive in large part because the colonies didn't have representation in Parliament and were allowed limited (and decreasing) local governance. The Stamp, Townshend and Intolerable Acts were a whole lot more than just "we don't wanna pay taxes".

A similar argument can be made against the tariffs though. US consumers will be paying the bulk of the tariffs through price increases. We do have representatives in Congress, they just weren't the ones imposing tariffs. edit: as fun as silent down votes are, it would be interesting to hear where you might disagree

Unfortunately the representatives in Congress gave the tariff power to the Presidency.

Now, did they do that with the approval of the voters? Ostensibly, yes, but in reality, it's not that clear-cut.

This would be more like if the Thirteen Colonies had MPs and those MPs still voted in favor of the Stamp Act, or they voted to delegate the power to tariff to someone with a severe personality disorder.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by potato3732842 »

lesuorac wrote: post #69
Amezarak wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The precipitating event behind the Boston Tea Party was actually a reduction in taxation that made it possible for the East India Company to undercut both official colonial tea importers and also American tea smugglers.

And many of those tea importers/smugglers happened to be prominent figures in the future US government. A coup was just good business.

It was terrible business. They'd have all been way better off working with the dominant global and economic power than starting a new country. And that's before you average in all the ones who lost everything and/or died.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

kayxspre wrote: post #42

This is similar to how Wikipedia reacts to Internet Watch Foundation (a UK CSAM Watchdog) when it decided to block the page "Virgin Killer" (a 1976 album by German band Scorpions) and the album cover image page. FBI found no issue with it, but the UK did. The result means ISP using the IWF blocklist are getting their traffic routed to proxy server, and Wikipedia usually blocks open proxies. Eventually, news outlet re…

>FBI found no issue with it

Because it's art?

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

#106

Post by ovi256 »

Bender wrote: post #60
okasaki wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UK site blocking isn't done with DNS. I think they mess with routes at the ISP level. There's not much you can do except use a VPN.

4chan uses Cloudflare. Blocking routes to Cloudflare may have an interesting impact unless CF are cooperating with the UK. 4chan could stop using CF but their moderators will have to step up their game as CF is being used to detect and block CSAM.

CF will cooperate with UK authorities because they're not in 4chan's business.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by CWuestefeld »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #81
kps wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Step 7: Camera AI that can catch the people scribbling “Sci-Hub is 190.115.31.218” on a bathroom wall.

Does that even work anymore? I thought plain IP addresses were a thing of the past ever since we started doing virtual hosts 25 years ago. I just get a 503 when I use the address you posted...

If you just point your browser to https:// then it won't work. You also need to have the correct hostname in the http request headers.

The easiest way to accomplish this is to add the address into your .hosts file (as sibling post says) and just use the name.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by GeoAtreides »

xoa wrote: post #63
GeoAtreides wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

do you think the public at large knows what VPS are? How to set up a VPN? the public at large barely understands the concept of files nowadays, if it's not app they're lost banning selling VPN and VPN apps will solve 90% of the problem and that's enough

> do you think the public at large knows what VPS are? How to set up a VPN? Do you think the general public NEEDS to know those things right now? Because that's what actually mostly drives what people put in the time to learn. This smug elitist "everyone is dumb except me the tech wizard" sort of comment shows up every such thread and it's deeply irksome. Most people are plenty intelligent and can easily learn things…

It's not elitist to remark that people tech skills are atrophying. The zoomers literally have memes about how bad are at tech stuff.

Setting a VPN is 100% not trivial, I know that because I recently set up a wireguard vpn on a VPS. Not impossible, sure, but out of the reach for a normal person.

Sure, one can ask a techie friend (if one's has a techie friend capable of self-hosting a VPN). So now instead of the gov ban covering 90% of the population, it covers what? 85%? 80%?

All self-hosted tools will not make a difference. Selling turnkey tools will be banned.

You can't win against the government. Not in 2025.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by [deleted] »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #81
kps wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Step 7: Camera AI that can catch the people scribbling “Sci-Hub is 190.115.31.218” on a bathroom wall.

Does that even work anymore? I thought plain IP addresses were a thing of the past ever since we started doing virtual hosts 25 years ago. I just get a 503 when I use the address you posted...

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by sunaookami »

Bender wrote: post #61
sunshine-o wrote: post #2

I assumed 4chan didn't exist anymore and it was renamed/replaced by another board... Great advertisement. The UK acts like a madman on fire trying to attack everybody.

In a way it does not exist any more. Most of the threads are started by 4chan-GPT yes this is a thing and most replies to threads are 4chan-GPT. They uses 4chan passes to allow proxies and not have to deal with a craptcha. Anyone could start their own chan, implement GPT bots and have the same level of popularity. I would wager a dozen HN'ers could implement this in a day. I think the goal on 4chan is controlling the…

This was one guy that did it for a few days (weeks?). Not some "common occurence". Funny video btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efPrtcLdcdM
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