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What kids told us about how to get them off their phones

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Re: What kids told us about how to get them off their phones

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Post by solace_silence »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #99
mtalantikite wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unfortunately very American. Build the entire environment for cars, with very little if any thought for pedestrians, and then put the parents in prison for letting their kids walk a few blocks home, while the driver of the enormous SUV that kills a child has no charges brought against them. We've entirely lost the plot here.

> the driver of the enormous SUV that kills a child has no charges brought against them I feel this is exaggerated to the point of being outright misinformation. Drivers are by default liable even in cases like jaywalking.

Unfortunately it's not an exaggeration, here's the article. https://thencbeat.com/legend-jenkins-parents-charged/

Re: What kids told us about how to get them off their phones

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Post by 1659447091 »

83457 wrote: post #65
gambiting wrote: post #26

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At 7 years old my parents would leave for work before I had to go to school, so I had to eat breakfast, dress myself and go to school, locking the door behind me - the walk was across few busy streets which I was told how to cross. Then I would come back before they were home so likewise, I had to let myself in and just wait for them to come back. I think nowadays if I did that with my son I would have child services…

I can't tell if you are advocating for that to still be common. Regardless, I just want to point out the survivor bias in anyone saying this should still be done based on stories like this one. The children in similar circumstances who were killed aren't here to talk about it. (Not trying to be rude)

That story was much more common than ever hearing about anyone in school that got run over crossing a street.

Pearl clutching story incoming.

My elementary school was located on an "island", so you always had to cross a street to get to it walking. We also had a "Safety Patrol" program. 5th graders (10-11 y/o), and soon to be 5th graders, could take a street Safety/rules test and scoring a 100 got you in the program as a "trainee". The trainees would go through a before school program to learn all the things to do to cross a street, plus other walking road rules (when/how etc). We also did things like putting the flag up on the main flag pole and taking it down/folding it each day and some other duties (mostly by sergeants, who were also subs for corner crossing). We had to be at school about 2 hours before it started and ~2 hours after ended.

Once we got through training we were assigned to one of the schools 4 street corners where there was 2-3 other 5th grade safety patrolers (maybe a 4th/5th grade trainee) and a 5th grader lieutenant who was the main one responsible for proper safety on that one corner. As in, our job was to help other kids walking to school cross the street properly, they were to wait until we walked out across the street and escorted them across. Which they did or were reported and got in trouble. There are no adults anywhere at this point except for the occasional drive by check from the adult in charge of the program. The main supervisor was a 5th grader Safety Patrol Captain that made the rounds between the 4 corners making sure all was well.

I ended the year as a lieutenant. There was not a single child run over by a car; seeing a parent that walked their kid to the corner where we picked them up to escort across was a rare sight.

Re: What kids told us about how to get them off their phones

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Post by agent327 »

mtalantikite wrote: post #98
agent327 wrote: post #92

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Are there any human tribes around that haven't at one point or another experienced a negative event at the hands of others? What should we all be given, and more importantly by whom, just to make up for the endless parade of historic injustices? Does dwelling on them for all eternity make for a good future?

Acknowledging is not the same as dwelling. We must acknowledge because it is reality and it is our duty to look reality in it's face. And because it is a reality that others in this present day experience the effects of, it affects all of us. By acknowledging and understanding the suffering of others, we touch the suffering within ourselves, and vice versa. As my meditation teacher [1] often says in closing, "just as…

It's your reality. _You_ choose to dwell on racial issues. _You_ dedicate your life to "correcting" people, and break in on discussions that have absolutely nothing to do with race, just so you can slap them in the face with a "WHITE MAN BAD!". That is a delusion, and the rest of us have absolutely no "duty" to go along with it.

Buddhism, above anything else, teaches to let go, to _not_ get stuck in the temporary sorrows of the earthly plane. If anything, you should have learned that it doesn't matter, and to not make it the core of your identity.

You blame the White man for genocide, but conveniently leave out that much of that 'genocide' was caused by disease, long before anyone even knew what caused it. You also conveniently ignore that the native Americans happily waged war on each other whenever they had the chance.

You blame the White man for slavery, but conveniently leave out that absolutely everyone practiced slavery, and that it was the White man who abolished it. You also conveniently leave out that more slaves are kept in just India _today_ than were taken by all European nations throughout history.

You blame the White man for lynching, but conveniently leave out that 'necklacing' is practiced today, in South Africa, on White people. Your viewpoint is extremely one-sided, and always to the detriment of a single race.

I can go on, but I think you can see my point: you assign blame to a single race, and are blind to the reality that nobody here are angels. You scapegoat one group based on their skin color, while willfully ignoring that pretty much everybody did the worst they could, whenever they had the opportunity.

Re: What kids told us about how to get them off their phones

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Post by agent327 »

hydrogen7800 wrote: post #93
agent327 wrote: post #88

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That list is totally not cherry picked to serve a very specific agenda (/s). Actual safety for regular citizens is affected by events that are occurring today (instead of decades ago), as the result of actions by individuals (rather than state-sanctioned violence). As such, the grandparent is 100% correct: letting violent people into your country will raise the overal level of violence that people encounter.

>That list is totally not cherry picked to serve a very specific agenda (/s) Well yes, it is. It is intended to provide an evidence-based counter to your fabricated claim.

If you'll inspect the names of the posters, you will quickly realize that it was not _my_ claim. I'm also not quite certain how a list of centuries-old atrocities serves as an 'evidence-based counter' to the claim that illegal immigrants in modern America have a high crime rate. If that was indeed fabricated, it could be trivially disproved by posting a link to a current-day statistical database.

Instead he tried his best to make this about race. At best that is whataboutism, and at worst he's just a racist f*ck.

Re: What kids told us about how to get them off their phones

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Post by mtalantikite »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #99
mtalantikite wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unfortunately very American. Build the entire environment for cars, with very little if any thought for pedestrians, and then put the parents in prison for letting their kids walk a few blocks home, while the driver of the enormous SUV that kills a child has no charges brought against them. We've entirely lost the plot here.

> the driver of the enormous SUV that kills a child has no charges brought against them I feel this is exaggerated to the point of being outright misinformation. Drivers are by default liable even in cases like jaywalking.

No, I read the article before I posted. The driver was not charged. There are plenty of articles that mention it, but here is from one of the top links on Google:

"The driver was not charged in the case, but both of Legend’s parents, Sameule and Jessica Jenkins, were charged with felony involuntary manslaughter and child neglect."

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/nc-lawmaker-bring-attentio...

Re: What kids told us about how to get them off their phones

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Post by Jyaif »

ARandomerDude wrote: post #43
Jyaif wrote: post #30

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Your testimony is quite literally survivor bias. What would not be survivor bias is you telling us what happened to the kids around you.

Guessing you were not a 10-ish year old kid in the early 90s. I had the same experience as the OP and it was very common. I've talked to numerous parents my age who have lamented that we can't let our kids have the same childhood we enjoyed.

> Guessing you were not a 10-ish year old kid in the early 90s

As a matter a fact I was. It's not because I pointed out GP's (lack of) logic that I disagree with the conclusion.

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