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Re: Arch shares its wiki strategy with Debian

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Feels like someone needs to make a generic Linux wiki then.

The arch wiki could expand to support distro switching, with each distro having its own domain, and all that could link back to a general linux wiki. It'd be beautiful.

They already had it fine, now its out of their scope.

Re: Arch shares its wiki strategy with Debian

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It's one the reasons I'm using Arch. Great features are worth little to me if I don't know about them. What I like particularly about the wiki is their why sections that explain why one would want to choose one way over another. A good example of this is the page on data-at-rest encryption [1].

[1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Data-at-rest_encryption

Re: Arch shares its wiki strategy with Debian

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The special instructions for other distros could be at risk for being deleted, as "something that will not work on Arch as-is is not something we will be hosting on our site".

Feels like someone needs to make a generic Linux wiki then.

I think one reason the arch wiki thrives is that it IS a generic linux wiki.

The arch wiki describes the upstream package.

I say this because Arch tries to use the upstream software as-is, and describes requirements and helps make configuration choices.

Other distributions tend to make the choices for you, configuring and modifying upstream to fit the distribution.

With respect to a wiki, this would be another layer of documentation to add. Describe the package, describe the distro, and explain the configuration choices.

Re: Arch shares its wiki strategy with Debian

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The Arch Linux community is one of the most toxic I know. First and foremost, there are members with tens of thousands of posts who become condescending and insulting when other members don’t dance to their tune. The Code of Conduct exists only on paper and is not enforced by the Arch leadership. This results in such behavior not only being tolerated but actively encouraged. Shame on them and shame on Debian for further encouraging this behaviour by inviting them to the DebConf.

Re: Arch shares its wiki strategy with Debian

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Instead of creating multiple wikis with probably 80% of duplicate information between them, it would be great to have a cross distribution wiki with separate sections for distribution-specific instructions where it makes sense. Gentoo had a fantastic wiki before they lost it to disk array failure (IIRC) around ten years ago, now pretty much everyone is going to the Arch wiki, why not try to turn it into a shared proj…

> it would be great to have a cross distribution wiki with separate sections for distribution-specific instructions where it makes sense.

This doesn't work as well as you think.

We did this in one large OSS project for documenting operations just for installs/setup/build/etc.

The problem is:

1. The list of differences get large fast if you aren't within the same family of OS like Debian/Ubuntu/Mint

2. Information will get out of date for some distros over others. Unhelpful pricks start bitching and moaning and nobody wants to deal with it at that point.

3. Unhelpful pricks will also bitch and moan you delete the out of date sections

Re: Arch shares its wiki strategy with Debian

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> You realize people do this for fun right? It’s fun to create your own distro (you should try it some time) and it’s fun to play with different ones as well. I do, and this is why FOSS cannot reach its political goals - it won't ensure user's freedom, for almost everyone involved today would rather chase their own satisfaction.

The "political goals" are pretty fringe, to most people that enjoy FOSS, the goal is to get something that works for themselves and if other people don't like it, that's fine. Most people aren't RMS style revolutionaries trying to convert the global population to FOSS users. I admire that man, but his goals aren't my goals. For that matter, if political victory were to be achieved in the way you've suggested, it woul…

>I admire that man,

He's a pdf file, there's not much to admire.

Re: Arch shares its wiki strategy with Debian

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The Arch wiki is one of the best things the Linux community has produced. It's like a modern, improved and more complete version of TLDP. I haven't even used Arch on any of my machines but can't count how many times I've found their wiki useful for my workstations, servers and even custom Yocto-built systems. Arch supports many ways of doing a thing, so whatever tool I'm dealing with, Arch probably supports that and…

After using FreeBSD and OpenBSD, it is frankly shocking how bad Linux documentation is in comparison. On the BSDs every command, every program, every system call, and every configuration file are thoroughly documented in man pages and other guides. The FreeBSD Handbook in particular is a treasure. It more than makes up for some of the more difficult aspects of the OS by providing thorough and approachable documentati…

Its consistent conventions also help a lot — it means learning a handful of things once, which can then be applied numerous other places (which as an aside, used to also be a strength of macOS). No need to even consult the manpage in many cases then.

An interesting but gargantuan project would be a Linux distro that maintains patches for all of its packages that standardize directory structures, config file locations, CLI argument order, etc.

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