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Well, isn't there an additional year or so of support for old stable? So beyond 2025.
Buster is supported until June 2028.
Thanks, I assume some of that is sort of extended, asterisked support though?
Debian 13 “Trixie”
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#102Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”
#103So what is the actual difference. These release notes are not very clear. They just give version bumps. How can people get excited when you give them nothing to get excited about?
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#104Writing this from my Debian system, it's a great distro that has been excellent to me as a daily driver. I switched to Debian 6 after Ubuntu went way downhill and haven't had cause to regret it. I like Debian's measured pragmatism with ideology, how it's a distro of free software by default but it also makes it easy to install non-free software or firmware blobs. I like Debian's package guidelines, I like dpkg, I lik…
>I've never had a Debian system break without it being my fault in some way. Debian is great but I can't say this is a shared experience. In particular, I've been bitten by Debian's heavy patching of kernel in Debian stable (specifically, backport regressions in the fast-moving DRM subsystem leading to hard-to-debug crashes), despite Debian releases technically having the "same" kernel for a duration of a release. In…
Which GPU, display server and compositor stack are you using?
Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”
#105The difference between Debian and Ubuntu is decreasing with each release recently. I was pleasantly surprised that Debian recognized all hardware components in my laptop released one year ago
out of the box.
Hardware support is good and UI is great! It feels snappier than Ubuntu, may be due to lack of snap and fewer services and applications installed by default.
Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”
#106It can be a little hard to navigate to so the .torrent links for x86-64 are Minimal: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-cd/deb... Full: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-dvd/de...
Note that you probably don't need the DVD ("full") image. Most users should use the "minimal" netinstall CD and download packages at install time.
I downloaded both because I intend to seed, but yes, if you have a fast internet connection then minimal is perfect... but if you are on a crappy third-world connection where it might take all day to get the image, it's nice to have it all in place when you are ready to install.
Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
> after Ubuntu went way downhill and haven't had cause to regret it. In what way Ubuntu went downhill?
I forget the exact context but I recall an Ubuntu dev stating they have more users of the Firefox snap alone than trendy distros have entire users. I think it’s worth keeping that in mind with all the hate Ubuntu gets. Most users are just silently getting their work done on an LTS they update every two years.
Well, I don't know which trendy distro the dev is referring, but Debian is complete opposite of Trendy. It's a bedrock distro silently running almost everywhere in some form or shape.
Most of the Linux-based (enterprise and/or embedded) appliances are built upon Debian, for example.
P.S.: The total number of Debian installations and their derivatives are unknown BTW. Debian installations and infra do not collect such information. You can install "popularity-contest", but the question defaults to "no" during installation, so most people do not send in package selection lists, unlike Canonical's tracking of snap installations.
Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”
#108Debian 13 trixie includes numerous updated software packages (over 63% of all packages from the previous release) I’m not familiar with the metric definition they use, but I’d be worried if close to 100% of the packages they included in bookworm hadn’t been updated in the roughly 2 years between releases. I use Debian for most of my servers, so I’m sure there is a valid explanation of that phrase.
Debian stable is just that - unchanging between major Debian versions. They do however push security updates when necessary, so you're not missing out on those
Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”
#109> i386 is no longer supported as a regular architecture: there is no official kernel and no Debian installer for i386 systems. The i386 architecture is now only intended to be used on a 64-bit (amd64) CPU. Users running i386 systems should not upgrade to trixie. Instead, Debian recommends either reinstalling them as amd64, where possible, or retiring the hardware. Impressive that i386 support made it all the way to A…
Are you confusing "386" with 32bit? 686 is the normal 32bit arch. 386 is something from the 1980's right?
i386 is the most common term used for 32 bit x86 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IA-32
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To what end? Outside of sheer nostalgia if you are running ancient hardware, you probably have a bespoke application which requires that environment. Either you cannot change for hard technical, compliance, or just fear of the unknown. Firewall it from the internet and continue to run whatever release last worked. I am not happy about unnecessary ewaste, but an i386 almost certainly has and order of magnitude less ho…
My Linux machine is very modern, but I still need i386 architecture support installed, because Steam requires 32-bit support. And Steam requires 32-bit support so people can play 15-year-old games. (Admittedly, the 32-bit support Ubuntu ships is less than a full OS and you can't install Ubuntu on a 32-bit machine these days)
So you have an amd64 CPU and Debian's "i386" packages will keep working on it. As per the release notes:
> The i386 architecture is now only intended to be used on a 64-bit (amd64) CPU.