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Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/578446_101510870... A friend of mine shot this in Helsinki. Low lighting conditions, Nokia style.

Thanks. Updated. I'd like to credit him, if he has a preferred link.

His request: please add copyright johaee (at) gmail.com. Don't remove the watermark in the image.

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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actually, i read some where regarding tips in food photography.. where they dont actually use ice cream.. let me find you the link.. it is more of an advertising thing..

The gist is that the item being advertised has to be the actual item as offered to the consumer. So in a cereal ad, the cereal featured has to be the actual cereal (even though they may go through hundreds of boxes picking out the perfect corn flakes to use). However, since they're not actually selling the milk that goes with the cereal, they're free to use glue or some other liquid that will let the cereal maintain…

So they are selling real flakes and a fraudulent crunch. Still fraud.

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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post #97

Faking images for a product rollout appears to be common mobile-electronics industry practice. Apple faked a video still from Star Trek and made a fake video of the New York Times for their iPad introduction. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Apple-Exposed-As-Liars-in-Fak... http://www.macrumors.com/2010/02/22/apples-ipad-nytimes-prom... I wonder if Nokia cross-licensed Apple's patent.

Id argue that there is a difference of intent in these two cases. Nokia is deceiving customers about a specific function or capability (camera) while Apple is just showing a promotional video of the device as a whole. Both cases are reprehensible, no doubt, but maybe I'm the only one who think that Nokia has gone a little too far. Lets think of these in terms of food. Its not the same to show a "perfect Big Mac" in a…

I'd give Nokia a pass if they took pictures in a very optimal conditions to show their products in the best possible light. Heck, I'd be probably ok if they didn't even use a real phone but some sort of prototype that was very, very similar. But using a completely different camera to show "this is what it could look like, maybe" seems like just outright lying.

The unfortunate thing for Nokia is that unless their product actually can perform like this they are going to have many disappointed customers.

For all we know, the new Nokia phone is actually a potato.

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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post #6

I can say precisely which lens was used to make that photo: Canon EF 17-40 L USM on a DSLR. Or some other very, very similar lens. No photographer can mistake this for anything. Like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/meonoctis/5661946485/in/set-721...

Not to miss the 24-70 f/2.8L

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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I've heard[0] that ‘big’ camera makes like Canon or Nikon regularly advertise their products using photos made with completely different equipment. It would be more surprising if Nokia used actual photos made with Lumia in promotion materials, I guess. [0] http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d3/h3d-1.htm : “For those of us in the press (Ken), we laughed when we looked at the EXIF data of Nikon's PR photos of the D3. The…

Rockwell is a noted self-publicist with a politician's reputation for truth and accuracy. Nikon can take their PR shots with whatever is best, should P&S publicity shots be taken with that P&S model? Of course not. If on the other they take photos with professional equipment and claim or imply that it was taken with a mobile phone then that is deceitful.

What are you talking about?

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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Faking images for a product rollout appears to be common mobile-electronics industry practice. Apple faked a video still from Star Trek and made a fake video of the New York Times for their iPad introduction. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Apple-Exposed-As-Liars-in-Fak... http://www.macrumors.com/2010/02/22/apples-ipad-nytimes-prom... I wonder if Nokia cross-licensed Apple's patent.

Id argue that there is a difference of intent in these two cases. Nokia is deceiving customers about a specific function or capability (camera) while Apple is just showing a promotional video of the device as a whole. Both cases are reprehensible, no doubt, but maybe I'm the only one who think that Nokia has gone a little too far. Lets think of these in terms of food. Its not the same to show a "perfect Big Mac" in a…

Apple showed the iPad displaying Flash content as a way of showcasing the browsing experience consumers could expect. In addition they manipulated a still image to sell the iPad as a device for watching movies. The choice of a still image was based upon an intent to deceive potential customers about the shortcomings of the 4:3 format of the iPad.

In the case of the iPad watching feature films is probably about equivalent to using the camera on a smartphone. On the other hand, browsing the web is a primary function of the device, and there was no way the iPad was getting Flash.

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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I don't understand why they need this.

They made a gorgeous and great device. It probably has one of the best smartphone cameras ever. Because of what they did, now everyone is talking about how they faked the photos instead of talking about the phone. A friend of mine even emailed Nokia and asked "Will the Lumia 920 also have the built-in CIV (cameraman in van) feature?"

Apologizing isn't going to change anything. People are going to keep making fun of Nokia for a long time about this.

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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There's only one way out of this for Nokia. They need to release new photo's and video's created with the new Nokia Wndows 8 Phone right the f * now. With as much EXIF and/or metadata as possible. If I was Nokia I'd hire the best photographer-artist the world knows and make a big splash about it.

Or they could just pretend this never happened. A search on Google News (anecdotal, yes) https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&#3... None of the articles have anything related to this in the title, and the first three articles do not mention any faking. It feels like a big issue in tech-savvy circles on the internet. But I doubt most consumers know or care.

The second result for me (posted 7 minutes ago) is related to this topic: http://i.imgur.com/oJQYf.png

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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post #11

"Professional driver on closed course." "Screen image is simulated." "Product enlarged to show detail." etc. etc. Yes, yes, we like "truth" and all. Especially when they're selling a camera after all, but getting a great cameraphone image and getting an image that will work on tv are two different things. No real surprise. Maybe disappointment, but no suprise.

This is more like "Professional driver on closed course in a completely different car than the one we're selling you"
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