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Re: Eleven Music

#101

I'm a musician I haven't used the elevnlabs one, but I've checked out suno and udio, and to be honest the tech is amazing. But like with a lot of genai images, the current music models have the same smell to it. These models can def be used to crank out commercially sounding music, but I have yet to hear any output that sounds fresh and exciting. If your goal is to create bro country, these models are a god-send. Wit…

>With that said, I do believe that musicians will start to create music with these tools as aid. The more tech advances the cooler it is to bury your head in the sand. Studying by paper & candlelight has never been more of a flex. Unless you're talking about EDM people and those adjacent. Not that they're not "real musicians" but they're much more about tech and gadgets so I can see them using it more.

I'm a "real" musician, and have done session / studio work, as well as made a living by playing live music in my younger days, before getting a "real job" in tech.

While there will no doubt be many that feel they're above using tools like these, the reality is that if you want to make money out of music - you're going to make music for the masses.

And if there's one thing these models really excel at, it is to make commercial sounding music. Everything sounds nice and bland.

Re: Eleven Music

#102
post #69

If you consider that Entertainment gives the viewer what they want, and art intends to challenge, none of what's created here is "art". It doesn't push boundaries, create new genres, or satisfy an uncomfortable curiosity. The tech here is fantastic. I love that such things are possible now and they're an exciting frontier in creation. It's very dystopian to feel that the robots are making generic human-music with ind…

If your art can be replaced by a model that recycles what’s already been done, maybe you were just recycling what’s already been done too.

How do you expect people to get good when AI is pushing them out of the entry-level stages where they were previously able to earn a modest living while developing their craft?

> oh now they won't have to do that boring mindless stuff like playing cover versions any more

That's how most musicians make their first $, doing covers or making something generic enough to be saleable as background music

Re: Eleven Music

#103
post #21

I'm dreading the day I discover a new "band" I'm totally into only to discover it's entirely AI.

Oh boy, do I ever have bad news about how pop music is currently created...

Increasingly I can't get into new music. For a while, I couldn't understand why as I've been a rabid musician / music lover my entire life. Even music I thought was cool, I couldn't really get into. I always preferred the music I grew up with.

Eventually, the reason why became obvious. I grew up listening to all that music with my closest friends. It's the memories I associate with that music that keeps me coming back. I moved away 30 years ago and never established friendships like that again. New music feels hollow to me because I don't have buddies to share it with and build associated memories.

Re: Eleven Music

#104
post #36

We imagined a utopian future where robots did our menial work so we were free to be creative. Instead we got a dystopian future where we do more and more menial work so our robots can poorly emulate creativity. It's not too late to turn it around, but that requires recognizing the humanity of 99.9% of people, and the 0.1% who own everything would rather create their own synthetic (subservient) humans than recognize t…

It's only from a position of extreme arrogance that you can complain that machines have not yet done enough for you. But it's the fun thing about being humans, I suppose. Our insatiable greed means we demand endlessly more.

This comment doesn't engage with the critique at all, it's just reflexive moralization.

Re: Eleven Music

#105

I'm a musician I haven't used the elevnlabs one, but I've checked out suno and udio, and to be honest the tech is amazing. But like with a lot of genai images, the current music models have the same smell to it. These models can def be used to crank out commercially sounding music, but I have yet to hear any output that sounds fresh and exciting. If your goal is to create bro country, these models are a god-send. Wit…

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Re: Eleven Music

#106

OT: Has anyone tried the opposite - ask AI to listen to music and determine the notes or chords being played? Or watch someone playing an instrument and give a textual output of what notes/chords they are playing.

I did this for my graduate capstone (https://www.deepjams.com/) We extracted chord progressions from existing music you would upload and then riffed based on those chords. there are open source libraries for this.

Re: Eleven Music

#107

I'm a musician I haven't used the elevnlabs one, but I've checked out suno and udio, and to be honest the tech is amazing. But like with a lot of genai images, the current music models have the same smell to it. These models can def be used to crank out commercially sounding music, but I have yet to hear any output that sounds fresh and exciting. If your goal is to create bro country, these models are a god-send. Wit…

>With that said, I do believe that musicians will start to create music with these tools as aid. The more tech advances the cooler it is to bury your head in the sand. Studying by paper & candlelight has never been more of a flex. Unless you're talking about EDM people and those adjacent. Not that they're not "real musicians" but they're much more about tech and gadgets so I can see them using it more.

I'm an electronic musician and AI music is banned on my favorite forum. Someone popped up a few months back challenging everyone to listen to their AI-generated music album and ended up being flamed to a crisp - not because people didn't engage with it, but because they did and pointed out in detail what was so bad about it.

Re: Eleven Music

#108
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These feels different than experimenting with a new synth or something though. It’s just feeding a sentence to the model.

"It's just pushing a button on the camera."

This is a stupid argument, because even with the most automatic camera you have to point it at something and make a decision about what to frame in. AI music is more like buying a bunch of old unlabelled records from a bargain bin and then praising yourself whenever one of them turns out to be worth listening to.

Re: Eleven Music

#109
Well, here's a few points of comparison:

Suno's version of Mandate of Heaven [0]. This is my baseline, it was generated with their v4 model and so far it has remained my favorite AI generated song. I regularly listen to this one track and it brings me joy. There's many places where I think it could be drastically improved, but none of the competitors have managed to surpass it nor have they provided tools to improve upon it. The pronunciation is a bit bad sometimes and it fails to hold notes as long as I wish, but overall it has gotten the closest to my vision.

Eleven Music's version of Mandate of Heaven [1]. They don't allow free accounts to export or share the full song so you can only try a small fragment. It has much crisper instruments and vocals, but it has terrible pacing issues and pronunciation. The track is 4 minutes long, but the singer is just rushing through the track at wildly unexpected speeds. I cannot even play the song after it finished generating, so I haven't even been able to listen to the whole thing, it just gets stuck when I press play. Maybe some kind of release-day bug. The only tool that Eleven Music gives you for refining and modifying sections is "Edit Style", which feels pretty limiting. But I can't even try it because the track won't play.

Producer.ai's version of Mandate of Heaven [2][3]. This one has slightly worse instruments than Eleven Music, but the vocals are a bit better than Suno v4. It also has severe timing issues. I tried asking it to generate the track without a vibe reference [2] and also with a vibe reference [3]. Both versions have terrible pacing issues; somehow the one with the vibe reference is particularly egregious, like it's trying to follow the input vibe but getting confused.

It feels like AI song generation is just in a really awkward place, where you don't get enough customization capabilities to really refine tracks into the perfect direction that you're imagining. You can get something sorta generic that sounds vaguely reasonable, but once you want to take more control you hit a wall.

If one is willing to bite the bullet, there's a paid program for generating high quality synthetic voices while maintaining fine-grained controls: Synthesizer V Studio 2. But I haven't been able to try it out because I'm cheap and there's no Linux support.

The ideal workflow I'm imagining would probably allow me to generate a few song variations as a starting point, while integrating into a tool like Synthesizer V Studio 2 so I can refine and iterate on the details. This makes a lot of sense too, because that's basically how we are using AI tools for programming: for anything serious you're generating some code and iterating on it or making tweaks for your specific program. I would like to specify which parts of the track are actually important to me, and which ones can be filled with sausage in reaction to my changes.

Overall, Eleven Music generates instruments that sounds nice, but the singing leaves a lot to be desired (n=1). Eleven Labs is doing a ton of great product work so I'm really excited for the direction they'll take this once they're able to iterate on it a few times. A very strong showing for an initial release.

[0] https://suno.com/s/HfDUqRp0ca2gwwAx

[1] https://elevenlabs.io/music/songs/TGyOFpwJsHdS3MTiHFUP

[2] https://www.producer.ai/song/aa1f3cc4-f3e4-40ce-9832-47dc300...

[3] https://www.producer.ai/song/3d02dd17-69f1-41ba-a3ea-967902f...

Re: Eleven Music

#110
I've played guitar for 23 years, and there is something just off-putting about most of the music on that page, but particularly "Yellow Bus Jam".

The guitar solo sounds very unnatural, especially the phrasing, which is totally random. Blues musicians are actually attempting to say something through their instrument. This was just a random number generated solo played by a 6 finger three handed robot. No thanks, lol.

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