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Re: Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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Post by username135 »

bpt3 wrote: post #31
ants_everywhere wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Peter Thiel. He says "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible." The beginning of the essay > I remain committed to the faith of my teenage years: to authentic human freedom as a precondition for the highest good. I stand against confiscatory taxes, totalitarian collectives, and the ideology of the inevitability of the death of every individual. For all these reasons, I still call myself “liberta…

These sound like the exact reasons we don't have a direct democracy. “A democracy will continue to exist up until the time voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.” - not Peter Thiel

Its always projection with megalomaniacs

Re: Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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Post by hshdhdhj4444 »

ants_everywhere wrote: post #18
giancarlostoro wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its really easy to read this and be scared without being given any context, not everyone in the room knows who you are referring to and if your reading of their remarks are accurate. You got a name and a raw source?

Peter Thiel. He says "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible." The beginning of the essay > I remain committed to the faith of my teenage years: to authentic human freedom as a precondition for the highest good. I stand against confiscatory taxes, totalitarian collectives, and the ideology of the inevitability of the death of every individual. For all these reasons, I still call myself “liberta…

Ah yes, because of the vast freedoms enjoyed by the people of all those non democratic nations throughout history.

The freedom to own a slave. The freedom to treat women as property. The freedom to kill somebody who may have wronged you.

Just an array of freedoms.

Re: Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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Post by api »

TrackerFF wrote: post #45

We received a presentation/demo of their products when I worked in the gov (not the US gov. though) a couple of years ago. They seemed, okay? I mean nothing seemed mind-blowing. I worked on surveillance in a specific sector, where interagency collaboration is important. Hence why Palantir pitched their tools. I'm not sure how they've managed to blow up like that. Do they have some extensive network with gov. official…

They're blowing up because they've got allies in government right now steering them contracts, which is par for the course for big government contracting. Elections are to a certain extent a contest between different camps to swing at the Piñata of Federal funding, with the winner taking the current batch of candy.

I kinda think Palantir is GenZ TRW, or at least the data analytics sections of TRW that did things like the first US social credit... I mean... credit score systems:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRW_Inc.

SAP is also a good comparison, so maybe GenZ SAP.

There's a ton of conspiracy theories about them because their founders are tech-right ideologues. I'd pretty much guarantee that if we'd elected the most mega-woke president in US history instead of Trump and they wanted to commission a huge government data project to analyze the entire American workforce to look for racial, ethic, and sexual orientation biases, Palantir would bid on that contract.

Not saying they're doing great stuff, but the bad stuff they're doing is the fault of your elected representatives. People voted for this.

Re: Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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Post by [deleted] »

hnhg wrote: post #34
giancarlostoro wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its really easy to read this and be scared without being given any context, not everyone in the room knows who you are referring to and if your reading of their remarks are accurate. You got a name and a raw source?

You can also sign up to Curtis Yarvin's Substack and read the kind of thinking that Thiel likes to surround himself with: https://graymirror.substack.com/

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Re: Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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Post by miltonlost »

rayiner wrote: post #88
miltonlost wrote: post #64

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More or less, "I don't believe in democracy" is the same as the people who founded the country? Ok, you have no idea of nuance.

The founders created a representative government with a limited franchise and express protections for private property and economic liberty, precisely because of the concerns over populist democracy. That's why they provided for an electoral college rather than direct election of the president, and for senators to be selected by state legislatures. The push towards making that republican system more democratic starte…

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Re: Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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Post by lolive »

walterbell wrote: post #89
lolive wrote: post #84

I will comment only on the Foundry stack that we work extensively with, at my company. Given the complete havoc that the other IT ecoaystems has become, we are constantly struggling with proper data access data exchange data transformation and data alignment. To a point where a political layer has appeared on top of that, which looks like the middle age baronies. Foundry has been in the company for the last ten years…

> more efficient and sane than going for yet another war with data barons and IT (so-called) enterprise architects Do data barons attempt to replicate silo control within Palantir? > Foundry is definitely the vision I was expecting from the Linked Data initiative With this profitable existence proof in the market, are there competing products based on the original open standards for Linked Data?

Truth to be told: data barons rarely consume their own data, and are not at all focused of the data customers needs.

So data customers have simply taken over the Palantir platform and manage the data import, data pipelines and data exposure (both general purpose exposure, and custom project-specific exposures) without caring very much about the data barons. Those ones simply deny the need for such a data integration platform.

So we really are in a situation where users have embraced the platform and live in it on a daily basis, and the barons spend their days pretending that it is a minor useCase.

Re: Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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Post by [deleted] »

ants_everywhere wrote: post #24
yosito wrote: post #17

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To be fair, I'm not sure there are very many people who believe in US democracy right now.

I don't believe this is true. The idea that the US should be non-democratic is very fringe. It's frequently expressed online, but a lot of that is not from human Americans. If you know of a high quality poll showing a majority of people support turning the US into a non-Democratic form of government I'd be very interested to see it and I would be legitimately surprised. The polls I see have at least 70-80% endorsemen…

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Re: Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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Post by indoordin0saur »

hnhg wrote: post #34
giancarlostoro wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its really easy to read this and be scared without being given any context, not everyone in the room knows who you are referring to and if your reading of their remarks are accurate. You got a name and a raw source?

You can also sign up to Curtis Yarvin's Substack and read the kind of thinking that Thiel likes to surround himself with: https://graymirror.substack.com/

Really interesting stuff! Thanks for sharing

Re: Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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Post by chpatrick »

lolive wrote: post #98
chpatrick wrote: post #51

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I've heard people say it's basically SAP with some spooky mystique for marketing.

Wake me up when SAP provides productivity tools of the level of PalantirFoundry’s Pipeline Builder, Ontology Manager, Data Lineage and Workshop.

I'm really glad I don't know what any of those things are.

Re: Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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Post by _Algernon_ »

bpt3 wrote: post #78
_Algernon_ wrote: post #37

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That's exactly how it works already, albeit through the middlemen representatives figuring out what block of voters is cheapest to buy. The only meaningful difference in a representative democracy is that the representatives can choose not to deliver on their promises (in other words: lie), thereby consolidating real power in a smaller group of people.

The idea is that smaller group of people actually have some integrity and sense of duty to the people they represent and the country at large, rather than just pulling the lever for the thing that benefits them the most in the immediate term. That idea has always been tested, with the current times being the largest test in several decades at least.

The argument that somebody else has better integrity and sense of duty representing my needs or wants is dead on arrival. Direct democracy is a representative democracy where each person has a representative.
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