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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by mc32 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #80
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's even worse than that. Israel's minister of the security services is ideologically aligned with the terrorists, and has openly supported their causes all his life. A quite unprecedented situation, I think!

There is a lot of precedent for one tribe eliminating another tribe to gain land. The only way a conflict over land ends is if one side wins.

The problem is that until a few hundred years ago, you could stand your ground and either win or lose (happened a lot) or you sought uninhabited land elsewhere )or a weaker party to kick out) That also happened a lot. Back then borders were defined by what you could actively defend, though treaties also existed.

These days though, there is no unclaimed land or unpopulated place to move in to. Practically speaking anyway. No one would want to move into the Yucatan jungles or Boreal Siberia even if the host countries invited them in to settle land.

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Post by WaxProlix »

wonderwonder wrote: post #81
carefulfungi wrote: post #74

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This shooting occurred in the West Bank, which is not controlled by Hamas. What's your redline? Is there any action that Israel can take that you won't justify?

The post I replied to was referencing genocide in Gaza. [Its been flagged, I can't post the text] If a terrorist group raped and murdered your wife and took your children is there a line in the sand that you would not want your government to cross to get them back? Would you be willing for your government to kill 2 innocents to get back your 3 kids? What about 10 innocents? What about 100? 1000? Is there a number whe…

Do you feel that way about the last time Israel broke ceasefire in operation Cast Lead, which resulted in similar civilian vs combatant deaths? Maybe no amount of punishment is enough for the evil on the other side?

It's not a helpful frame to think in tbh, because now you get to look at the considerably more evil thing done by Israel and justify - what - a chemical weapons attack or something against its citizens?

Let's just stop the killing first

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Post by kzrdude »

walls wrote: post #96
BenGosub wrote: post #14

Cold blooded murder on video and it is still not enough for our countries to take action.

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nihilistic attitudes like that are also keeping doors open for the continued march towards autocracy in the USA unfortunately

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Post by ihsw »

alkyon wrote: post #87

In ideal world international peacekeeping forces would be deployed in Gaza. The peace and two state solution could only be enforced by imposing severe sanctions on Israel including possibility of aerial NATO strikes like in the former Yugoslavia.

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Post by [deleted] »

thoroughburro wrote: post #95
pif wrote: post #78

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> She said that she is afraid of the world where a state can decide [...] and nobody is willing to do anything about that. You may explain her that this is a different face of the same world where a state has been targeted by hatred and terrorism for 80 years, and everybody insisted on them being patient and just live with it. What's happening is sad, but it is not sadder than what preceded it.

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Post by cess11 »

hn_go_brrrrr wrote: post #66
adhamsalama wrote: post #45

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Defending? You mean colonizing. And Israel literally did terrorist attacks on Jews in Arab countries to make them flee to the newly occupied land.

Israel has both defended itself from literal invasions neighboring countries and violently seized ("colonized") land from people already living there. The two are not mutually incompatible.

What do you mean by "literal invasion"? It seems to imply that Israel would have been attacked without provocation.

In 1948 the zionist paramilitaries had been at war with the indigenous population for quite some time, neighbouring states offering the palestinians military support once the british ended the mandate wasn't exactly out of the blue.

The 1956 Suez crisis was an attack by Israel and some of its allies.

The 1967 Six-Day-war was an attack by Israel.

The 1973 Yom Kippur war was an attempt to retake syrian and egyptian territory, and 'invading' occupied territory in an attempt to retake it is hardly a "literal invasion" of Israel, right?

In 1982 Israel attacked Lebanon and invaded its southern parts.

Quite consistently Israel has been the aggressor and very explicitly expansionist at the expense of its neighbours.

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Post by pif »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #85
pif wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> She said that she is afraid of the world where a state can decide [...] and nobody is willing to do anything about that. You may explain her that this is a different face of the same world where a state has been targeted by hatred and terrorism for 80 years, and everybody insisted on them being patient and just live with it. What's happening is sad, but it is not sadder than what preceded it.

>> She said that she is afraid of the world where a state can decide that they will plannedly un-live whole other nation and nobody is willing to do anything about that. > You may explain her that this is a different face of the same world where a state has been targeted by hatred and terrorism for 80 years, and everybody insisted on them being patient and just live with it. Being upset at the world and unwilling to…

Being upset at the world is not a valid justification for terrorism, either.

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Post by nahuel0x »

lifestyleguru wrote: post #15

Israel is the textbook example of proverbs "you become what you're fighting with" and "if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you".

Zionism didn't become nazism by fighting against it, there is a deep history of zionism collaborating with the Nazi regime. Both shared an ethno-nationalist worldview from the start and the objective of moving the Jewish people out of Germany.

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Post by southernplaces7 »

wafflemaker wrote: post #19

Last night I went to bed late and my wife had trouble sleeping. She said that she is afraid of the world where a state can decide that they will plannedly un-live whole other nation and nobody is willing to do anything about that. We're both from the country where most of the planned un-living of the First Holocaust were performed. We recently discussed how in a street poll, half of Polish population couldn't solve a…

Why use this word, "un-live" multiple times? How does one confront or at all protest grotesque things if they can't so much as mention them without absurd, childish euphemisms? Kill, it's about killing, or maybe more accurately: exterminating, butchering, slaughtering, murdering. There, better to properly, crudely name things that are by nature crude and barbaric.
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