Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

linaro.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

101–110 of 224 posts

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

#101

Post by nextos »

jbeard4 wrote: post #95
microtonal wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to be quite cynical about these posts. I used Linux as my main desktop from 1994-2007 and switched to Mac then. I would periodically try on laptops Linux again, but there were always things broken in bad ways. Early this year I bought a ThinkPad T14 Gen 5 AMD. In contrast to when I had a T14 Gen 1 AMD early 2020s, everything just works. All the hardware works, suspend/resume works, all the hardware comes up af…

> NixOS is a superpower to me Can you expand on this? Just curious what is the main value-add you are getting from NixOS in particular?

NixOS gives you the ability to define your system declaratively, upgrade or tweak without fear of breaking anything, and the ability to launch shells with arbitrary and well defined sets of dependencies.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

#102

Post by microtonal »

bee_rider wrote: post #61
microtonal wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to be quite cynical about these posts. I used Linux as my main desktop from 1994-2007 and switched to Mac then. I would periodically try on laptops Linux again, but there were always things broken in bad ways. Early this year I bought a ThinkPad T14 Gen 5 AMD. In contrast to when I had a T14 Gen 1 AMD early 2020s, everything just works. All the hardware works, suspend/resume works, all the hardware comes up af…

I’ve used it from probably… 2010 or so, to now. I recall some stuff like WiFi being vaguely annoying in the beginning. But, things seemed to get pretty good post 2015. You were here for the really hard stuff, and missed the beginning of the good times, I think. Unlucky! Oh well. Welcome back!

I did use a Ryzen Linux desktop from ~2018-2020 besides a MacBook, but Apple Silicon was so insanely good when it was introduced that I went back fully back to Mac on the desktop. But Ryzen mobile APUs have been catching up.

I have also used headless Linux machines throughout my Mac vacation :).

With regards to the hard stuff. 1994-2007 was from my 12th to my 25th, basically overlapping with when I was a high school/university student. So, plenty of time and not enough money for a Mac or some commercial UNIX system. That period was also super exciting, especially up till the dotcom crash a lot of people thought that Linux was going to take over the desktop (anyone remember Corel Linux and even WordPerfect on Linux?). Linux did take over, but in different ways than we imagined, the server was kinda expected after the mid-nineties, but Android not.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

#103

Post by dangus »

kfl wrote: post #22
TheJCDenton wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very informative, thank you. I was about to buy one of their products but this made me pause. What you think would be the alternative in Europe ?

There is StarLab https://starlabs.systems although they don’t make ARM laptops if that’s what you are asking for.

Don’t bother with these. In my eyes the gold standard for Linux laptops is Framework or Lenovo.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

#104

Post by oDot »

wyldfire wrote: post #92
mariusor wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically the same things happened to my tuxedo also. With the addition of having to change batteries once a year, because it would drop to half it's factory charge, which wasn't really sufficient. I also gave up on them when they wanted so much money for a screen change (which died after about 3-4 years). I've replaced it with the new framework 13 inch, which so far works well , but I've only had it for 4-5 months.…

> issues with suspend on linux Oh? I'd seriously considered buying the 13 w/this AMD CPU and I guess I naively thought it would be ideal. What sort of problems with suspend are you seeing?

I have a Zephyrus G16 with a 370 and can confirm it would fail to sleep on Linux 6.12.

Upgraded to 6.15 and sleep seems to work well now.

I use NixOS

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

#105

Post by microtonal »

jbeard4 wrote: post #95
microtonal wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to be quite cynical about these posts. I used Linux as my main desktop from 1994-2007 and switched to Mac then. I would periodically try on laptops Linux again, but there were always things broken in bad ways. Early this year I bought a ThinkPad T14 Gen 5 AMD. In contrast to when I had a T14 Gen 1 AMD early 2020s, everything just works. All the hardware works, suspend/resume works, all the hardware comes up af…

> NixOS is a superpower to me Can you expand on this? Just curious what is the main value-add you are getting from NixOS in particular?

- Fully declarative. I can bring up a system in 5-10 minutes (depending on internet speed) and the system configuration is exactly as any other system.

- Great modules for programs/services in NixOS and home manager. So I typically do not have to figure out what configuration format something uses. Most common options are exposed as module options and for options that are not exposed, it's often possible to write the configuration in Nix (or worst case a string that gets added to the configuration). I can access the documentation of all modules with a simple _man configuration.nix_ or `man home-configuration.nix`.

- I can override arbitrary packages with custom build options, etc. I don't have to maintain separate .spec/rules files or anything. I can just put a somePackage.override/overrideAttrs somewhere in my system configuration and the package customizations are there with my system configuration and always get built with the system.

- Packaging something to hook it up in my system is low-effort. nixpkgs is the largest distribution package set (according to repology). But sometimes something is missing or I want to add some of my own projects as packages, unless it's some insanely bad proprietary application, I can do it in a few minutes.

- Atomic updates/rollbacks.

- Ad-hoc or project-specific development shells (though that is more Nix than NixOS).

I know that the learning curve can be steep, but once you really get Nix and NixOS, it's kinda like being the master of the universe, erm, I mean your systems.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

#106

Post by margalabargala »

tom89999 wrote: post #27
pentamassiv wrote: post #7

If you are thinking about getting a Tuxedo, I suggest to get something else. I got one because they promised fwupd support, upstreamed drivers and maybe coreboot support. None of that is working even years afterwards. People from the kernel got so fed up with them, they considered blacklisting them [1]. That seemed like a wakeup call as they now at least started with upstreaming drivers. If you want to change some se…

There are parts in the industry that are not meant for end users. I service copiers and printers. The fixing unit is not meant to be installed by a handyman, thats why you dont get to buy it. You can cook yourself, it works with 230V.... Toner and drum unit are sold to customers.

"230VAC is dangerous, therefore it makes sense you cannot purchase a 12VDC laptop screen to install yourself"

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

#107

Post by microtonal »

wyldfire wrote: post #92
mariusor wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically the same things happened to my tuxedo also. With the addition of having to change batteries once a year, because it would drop to half it's factory charge, which wasn't really sufficient. I also gave up on them when they wanted so much money for a screen change (which died after about 3-4 years). I've replaced it with the new framework 13 inch, which so far works well , but I've only had it for 4-5 months.…

> issues with suspend on linux Oh? I'd seriously considered buying the 13 w/this AMD CPU and I guess I naively thought it would be ideal. What sort of problems with suspend are you seeing?

I have a T14 Gen 5 AMD. No issues with suspend/resume at all. NixOS, kernel 6.12. The Ryzen AI APUs are fairly new, so it may take a few months for things to settle.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

#109

Post by boomskats »

TechDebtDevin wrote: post #90
boomskats wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm waiting for one of the headset vendors to support IMU-based HID mouse cursor control in hardware, with the same end goal in mind. In the meantime I'm stuck on amd64 with my little libinput driver[0]. [0]: https://github.com/boomskats/woahland

How long can work on one of these for?

I find it extremely comfortable. Considerably moreso than with my desk and monitor setup. I'm long sighted and the projection distance means I don't need glasses to see, and they don't get overly hot (nothing compared to a VR headset). Most significantly though, I can change the position of my head whenever I want without changing what I'm looking at, which makes a difference for my neck comfort, posture, etc.

To answer your question directly, I've done multiple 2-3 hour sessions at a time without taking the glasses off and have done 10+ hour days in them when away from home. At home I typically tend to use them for a couple of hours in the afternoons when I'm tired and more willing to sacrifice screen real estate for comfort.

The detail isn't the same and you have to plan your screen layout a bit (i.e. looking at code near the edges of the screen is annoying). But I think they're the future - a much bigger deal than VR or AR.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

#110

Post by efdee »

homebrewer wrote: post #38
tom89999 wrote: post #23

I am fed up with the linux world. I run Ubuntu on a randomly selected Thinkpad, everything works, outta the box. Why should i buy a new laptop because it holds another cpu doing the exact workload? I cant code faster, cant talk faster with people and being productive 8hrs strait is just a lie. Since almost 10years i read about pre-installed devices, but i dont see them anywhere. Most companies dont have business linu…

Why not switch to Windows then? You'll of course have to chuck that perfectly finely working laptop when Windows 12 declares it obsolete, but such is life there.

I think you're confusing Microsoft and Apple. :-)
Post reply on HN