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US companies, consumers are paying for tariffs, not foreign firms

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Re: US companies, consumers are paying for tariffs, not foreign firms

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In my trade economics textbook years ago it was stated that the cleared customs cost of an imported good is no more than 30% of its final consumer price, and more typically 10%. The rest is inland logistics, retail costs, and marketing. Further to that, 80% of the economy is services or otherwise has nothing to do with imports. Tariffs are not affecting haircuts or yoga classes or bank fees. Seems to me like tariffs…

Bingo.

Re: US companies, consumers are paying for tariffs, not foreign firms

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post #28

Crazy that one of the major policy initiatives of the all Republican/Maga government is to impose a huge consumer tax increase. Maybe calling these "import taxes" instead of "tarrifs" would help emphasize that to the average voter?

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> Core CPI continues to print lower than street expectations, for five consecutive months now. Far lower than what the Fed is concerned about, and certainly leagues lower than what the consumer expects.

Haven't a ton of the tariffs been delayed? To what extent have they actually been in effect?

Re: US companies, consumers are paying for tariffs, not foreign firms

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Everyone focusing on consumer prices. But tariffs also function to incentivize domestic reindustrialization, which has huge national security implications. You see this clearly in the venture space as increased investment interest in hardtech and manufacturing. It's great that the federal government is looking long term again.

No one is risking multi-year commitments of millions or billions of dollars to build a factory in America when the tariffs change week to week. If you want to incentive domestic reindustrialization, you do it with things like the Inflation Reduction Act, CHIPS act or the "Green New Deal" where congress lays out clear sets of rules in law with a mixture of tax incentives, loan programs and spending to give investors a…

>No one is risking multi-year commitments of millions or billions of dollars to build a factory in America when the tariffs change week to week.

Apple: $500M over four years including a facility in Houston opening next year

Chobani: $1.7B for new facilities in Idaho and NY

J&J: $55B over four years into new facilities, a 25% increase over previous

Honda: moving 100% of Civic hybrid hatchback production to the US

Hyundai: $25B over three years

IBM: $150B over five years

Merck: $1B for a new plant in Delaware

Nvidia: For this first time in history will be manufacturing chips in the US

Roche: $50B

TSMC: $165B

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-manufacturing-domestic-tarif...

Re: US companies, consumers are paying for tariffs, not foreign firms

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post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tariff rates have changed how many times in the past six months? Businesses need certainty if they are going to make long term investments.

have you followed the news? it's been reported that after the period of changing tariffs, agreements have been reached for more US manufacturing, said agreements providing the certainty you are seeking.

If you believe that any agreements with Trump provide certainty, I have a bridge to sell.

The rest of the world now knows that any promise made by the US government is not worth the paper it's signed on, and is planning accordingly.

Re: US companies, consumers are paying for tariffs, not foreign firms

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A reminder, most tariffs will not be paid because consumers will just shift their spending habits to match or just buy less. Tariffs are a double edged sword because the hurt purchasing power of consumers without really generating much money for the government. The administration is going to focus on the fact that tariffs don't really drive inflation, but are going to miss the forest for the trees: prices won't go up…

>without really generating much money for the government

it's been reported that tariff collections have soared to the point that the budgeted spending is no longer in the red. this article is written in a confusing way, but your statement "not generating much money for the govt" appears to be incorrect

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/11/treasury-posts-unexpected-su...

Re: US companies, consumers are paying for tariffs, not foreign firms

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Everyone focusing on consumer prices. But tariffs also function to incentivize domestic reindustrialization, which has huge national security implications. You see this clearly in the venture space as increased investment interest in hardtech and manufacturing. It's great that the federal government is looking long term again.

No one is risking multi-year commitments of millions or billions of dollars to build a factory in America when the tariffs change week to week. If you want to incentive domestic reindustrialization, you do it with things like the Inflation Reduction Act, CHIPS act or the "Green New Deal" where congress lays out clear sets of rules in law with a mixture of tax incentives, loan programs and spending to give investors a…

There was a pretty good NYT Daily interview with a small manufacturer on the 14th of April this year, "Her Business Was Thriving. Then Came the Tariffs". The business owner outlines a lot of "on the ground" issues around the tariffs & building in America (including looking at building the factory to build their products themselves).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3pfM5v0F9U

Re: US companies, consumers are paying for tariffs, not foreign firms

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post #54
post #53

In my trade economics textbook years ago it was stated that the cleared customs cost of an imported good is no more than 30% of its final consumer price, and more typically 10%. The rest is inland logistics, retail costs, and marketing. Further to that, 80% of the economy is services or otherwise has nothing to do with imports. Tariffs are not affecting haircuts or yoga classes or bank fees. Seems to me like tariffs…

Right, but if you double the cleared customs cost with a 100% tariff, many of those additional costs are levied as a constant margin, which tends toward doubling the retail price. You might argue that the retail channel can eat the difference, but it doesn't make sense to make the same absolute margin on goods that are subject to volatile tariff policies. It makes it hard to predict how many units will sell, how much…

you can't actually argue that the retail channel will eat the difference. that would be arguing that the financial market would eat the difference, and that's exactly what financial markets will not do. nor do you want them to, since the money in financial markets is your pension.

lay people have a broken view of what goes into a price and a profit, thinking that a "fair" profit should be some "reasonable" percentage. It's just not how it works, it works on multiplied rates. the financial markets exist to give large companies working capital. if the companies need double the working capital, the shareholders/bankers want double the returns. the alternative would be you getting a letter saying "hey, the returns on your retirement account are going to be halved, think of it like your retirement account is now half the size"

Re: US companies, consumers are paying for tariffs, not foreign firms

#108
post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

have you followed the news? it's been reported that after the period of changing tariffs, agreements have been reached for more US manufacturing, said agreements providing the certainty you are seeking.

If you believe that any agreements with Trump provide certainty, I have a bridge to sell. The rest of the world now knows that any promise made by the US government is not worth the paper it's signed on, and is planning accordingly.

the rest of the world is complaining bitterly. they would not be doing that if their solution was as simple and painless as you like to think

Re: US companies, consumers are paying for tariffs, not foreign firms

#110
post #28

Crazy that one of the major policy initiatives of the all Republican/Maga government is to impose a huge consumer tax increase. Maybe calling these "import taxes" instead of "tarrifs" would help emphasize that to the average voter?

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== hints at pressure on corporate margins.==

And if those hints become reality, might prices rise to re-increase margins?

Do you make the same argument about the corporate income tax being absorbed by companies? Or do you assume that tax makes its way to consumers through price increases? What about increases in the minimum wage?

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