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A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page (2022)

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Re: A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page (2022)

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Damn... I'm at 17.2KB for my home page! (not including dependencies) FWIW I optimised the heck out of my personal homepage and got 100/100 for all Lighthouse scores. Which I had not previously thought possible LOL Built in Rails too! It's absolutely worth optimising your site though. It just is such a pleasing experience when a page loads without any perceptible lag!

Yeah, the fact that news.ycombinator.com loads instantly pleases my brain so much I flick it open during downtime automonkey-ly

Re: A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page (2022)

#102

Does anyone know have examples of tiny, yet aesthetically pleasing websites or pages? Would love it if someone kept a list.

There is an example link in the article. Listing more examples would serve no purpose apart from web design perspective

Re: A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page (2022)

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Aside from latency, reducing ressources consumption to the minimum required should always be a concern if we intend to have a sustainable future. The environmental impact of our network is not negligible. Given the snarky comments here, we clearly have a long way to go. EDIT: some reply missed my point, I am not claiming this particular optimization is the holy grail, only that I'd have liked for added benefit of red…

The vast majority of internet bandwidth is people streaming video. Shaving a few megs from a webpage load would be the tiniest drop in the bucket. I am all for efficiency, but optimizing everywhere is a recipe for using up the resources to actually optimize where it matters.

It matters at web scale though.

Like how industrial manufacturing are the biggest carbon consumers and compared to them, I’m just a drop in the ocean. But that doesn’t mean I don’t also have a responsibility to recycle because culminate effect of everyone like me recycling quickly becomes massive.

Similarly, if every web host did their bit with static content, you’d still see a big reduction at a global scale.

And you’re right it shouldn’t the end of the story. However that doesn’t mean it’s a wasted effort / irrelevant optimisation

Re: A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page (2022)

#105
This could be another reason: https://blog.cloudflare.com/russian-internet-users-are-unabl...

> ... analysis [by Cloudflare] suggests that the throttling [by Russian ISPs] allows Internet users to load only the first 16 KB of any web asset, rendering most web navigation impossible.

Re: A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page (2022)

#106
I agree with the sentiment here, the thing is, I've noticed that the newer generations are using frameworks like Next.js as default for building simple static websites. That's their bare bone start. The era of plain html + css (and maybe a sprinkle of js) feels like it's fading away, sadly.

Re: A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page (2022)

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post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vast majority of internet bandwidth is people streaming video. Shaving a few megs from a webpage load would be the tiniest drop in the bucket. I am all for efficiency, but optimizing everywhere is a recipe for using up the resources to actually optimize where it matters.

Talking about video streaming, I have a question for big tech companies: Why? Why are we still talking about optimising HTML, CSS and JS in 2025? This is tech from 35 years ago. Why can't browsers adopt a system like video streaming, where you "stream" a binary of your site? The server could publish a link to the uncompressed source so anyone can inspect it, keeping the spirit of the open web alive. Do you realise ho…

I see you mistake html/css for what they were 30 years ago „documents to be viewed”.

HTML/CSS/JS is the only fully open stack, free as in beer and free and not owned by a single entity and standardized by multinational standardization bodies for building applications interfaces that is cross platform and does that excellent. Especially with electron you can build native apps with HTML/CSS/JS.

There are actually web apps not „websites” that are built. Web apps are not html with sprinkled jquery around there are actually heavy apps.

Re: A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page (2022)

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post #10

Aside from latency, reducing ressources consumption to the minimum required should always be a concern if we intend to have a sustainable future. The environmental impact of our network is not negligible. Given the snarky comments here, we clearly have a long way to go. EDIT: some reply missed my point, I am not claiming this particular optimization is the holy grail, only that I'd have liked for added benefit of red…

Being concerned about page sizes is 100% wasted effort.

Calculate how much electricity you personally consume in total browsing the Internet for a year. Multiply that by 10 to be safe.

Then compare that number to how much energy it takes to produce a single hamburger.

Do the calculation yourself if you do not believe me.

On average, we developers can make a bigger difference by choosing to eat salad one day instead of optimizing our websites for a week.

Re: A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page (2022)

#109

Damn... I'm at 17.2KB for my home page! (not including dependencies) FWIW I optimised the heck out of my personal homepage and got 100/100 for all Lighthouse scores. Which I had not previously thought possible LOL Built in Rails too! It's absolutely worth optimising your site though. It just is such a pleasing experience when a page loads without any perceptible lag!

Yeah, the fact that news.ycombinator.com loads instantly pleases my brain so much I flick it open during downtime automonkey-ly

Lobsters, Dlangs forum and HN is one of the few places I know that loads instantly, I love it. This is how it should be like!

Re: A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page (2022)

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Aside from latency, reducing ressources consumption to the minimum required should always be a concern if we intend to have a sustainable future. The environmental impact of our network is not negligible. Given the snarky comments here, we clearly have a long way to go. EDIT: some reply missed my point, I am not claiming this particular optimization is the holy grail, only that I'd have liked for added benefit of red…

It's not low-hanging fruit, though. While you try to optimise to save a couple of mWh in power use, a single search engine query uses 100x more and an LLM chat is another 100x of that. In other words: there's bigger fish to fry. Plus caching, lazy loading etc. mitigates most of this anyway.

Of course, but my point is that it's still a constraint we should have in mind at every level. Dupont poisoning public water with pfas does not make you less of an arsehole if you toss your old iPhone in a pond for the sake of convenience.
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