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Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs gold per gigawatt

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Re: Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs gold per gigawatt

#101

Silver stackers win again /s

After some studying, there is absolutely no stable element cannot be synthesized using the neutron supply of a fusion reactor. Silver is relatively easy to synthesize from cadmium. This leaves us with certain cryptocurrencies.

That's the joke ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs gold per gigawatt

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>In practice, given that much of all gold is used to store value and is not actively in use, we do not expect the need to store it for 7–17 years to be a major impediment; at worst, it means that the product will initially have somewhat less value than pure 197Au, and so some discount should be applied to the value of freshly produced gold.

but when we are generating literal tons of gold for free, won't gold no longer be a good store of value because it will no longer be scarce?

It’s not free, also we generate new gold with mining.

Re: Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs gold per gigawatt

#103
post #60
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>In practice, given that much of all gold is used to store value and is not actively in use, we do not expect the need to store it for 7–17 years to be a major impediment; at worst, it means that the product will initially have somewhat less value than pure 197Au, and so some discount should be applied to the value of freshly produced gold.

but when we are generating literal tons of gold for free, won't gold no longer be a good store of value because it will no longer be scarce?

A 1GW reactor (nuclear fission reactors are usually 1GW, and you'll have a couple or several at a single plant) would produce something like 5-10 metric tons of gold in a year. According to USGS[1] there has been 187,000 metric tons of gold produced and another 57,000 metric tons known about but not yet mined.

There are currently hundreds of nuclear fission reactors in the world so if you assume a similar number of fusion reactors, you'll get thousands of metric tons per year of gold production. World gold production was ~3,600 metric tons in 2022 [2].

So ultimately, yes, it would impact the price, but it will be many decades before we have hundreds of fusion power plants producing all that gold, and so it's not going to saturate the market for a long time. It may never saturate the market if demand for gold continues to go up in the coming decades.

1. https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/how-much-gold-has-been-found-world 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_mining#Statistics

Re: Marathon fusion claims to invent alchemy, making 5000 kgs gold per gigawatt

#104
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Unfortunately gold generated in this way would be radioactive. They calculate they would have to store the gold for over 13 years to not require labeling as radioactive waste, or over 17 years to reach the level of radioactivity of a banana. I bet it would still be less valuable than regular gold even after that. It could still be identified, and people would discriminate against it. People are funny about nuclear wa…

This is not a problem for finance bros, they would sell a discounted note that gave you "ownership" of the gold in 17 years at some discount on the current spot price of gold. So you'd get these things that 'mature' in 17 years and you know their going to be worth whatever the spot price of gold is then, so it becomes a simple problem of pricing the risk that gold will be worth something in 17 years (people by gold f…

This is also a well solved problem that hard cheese has. Some folks have their retirement savings invested in slowly maturing cheeses.
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