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Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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This Apple policy is the only thing stopping chrome from having a full monopoly, and we should be careful trying to remove it

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They’re bringing up a valid point that has no indication of heavy support one way or another and you call it corporate boot licking.

How can you say this nonsense so uncritically?

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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On top of that, iOS continues to push Safari on users by disregarding their default browser settings. Steps to reproduce: 0. Select a different default browser, delete the Safari app (just for good measure, even though it's not really possible just like deleting IE in older Win versions) 1. Open the Books app 2. Select text 3. Select Search 4. Press Search the Web 5. Safari search results open as you stare in disbeli…

Google does this too on Android in a few places. Stuff still opens in Chrome even if Firefox is the default.

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Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Even if you get past the roadblocks Apple has put in place, it’s not beer and skittles for browser makers in the EU.

The CRA, which is now in effect, lists browsers as class I important products. Technical documentation, design documentation, user documentation, security conformance testing, a declared support period at the time of download, software bill of materials, the legal obligation to respond to and make all your internal documents available to market surveillance organizations, etc.

And if the EU doesn’t publish harmonized development standards by 2027, you will be required to pay a 3rd party to come in and analyze you, your design, and the security of your browser, and make a report to send to the market surveillance organization, who gets to decide if you have the requisite conformance.

Are you sure that anyone but the big boys want to make a browser in the EU?

Here is the law, please point out where I am wrong. Much appreciated :)

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L...

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Chrome is the IE6 of the modern Web. Devs are building hacky sites that only work in Chrome. It's the browser we're FORCED to have installed for the occasional shitty flight or hotel booking that doesn't work in Firefox.

it's the browser you need when your shitty default browser decided to spend their money elsewhere instead of building a proper browser that can compete against the app store lock in

Agreed, that's why we steer people away from Edge.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Apple knows that what they're doing is against the law, but every day, every month, every year they can get away with it, till the hammer of the law inevitably strikes, is more money in their pocket. So delaying it by every means necessary is what's in their best interest, it's what their lawyers are paid to do because each such decision of conforming to the law boils down to an accounting decision for them: "are the…

Tech giants need to be dismantled.

Western governments just need to toughen up. If China tells Apple to stop doing something by next Monday, they'll have it changed by then.

"But due process!!". For individuals and SMEs, sure. For mega companies, absolutely not. Getting to rake in billions of profits should come with a loss of privileges, not with a gain. That needs to be the trade-off.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Two of the arguments just aren’t true.

If you use another browser today even if it does use Apple’s engine, Apple’s not making search revenue from Google.

The second point is that it came out in the Epic trial that 90% of App Store revenue comes from games and in app purchasing. Those apps are not going to the web.

Third, if the only thing stopping great web apps is Apple, why aren’t their popular web apps for Android and why do companies that produce iOS apps still create Android apps instead of telling Android users to just use the web?

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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It costs 10 cents an hour though. @javcasas for sure it's not practical if you want to develop with it, I was more thinking of testing on preprod/prod. But maybe ngrok can be sufficient to test your local dev from the VM?

You’ll only get rates like that if you’re reserving at least a month’s usage. For small amounts of usage, the cheapest I’ve ever seen is $1 per hour, with a minimum spend past $30, with various further strings attached. And most are much more than that.

Apple has a 24h minimum mandate so I guess I stand corrected.

But it's not $1 per hour.

https://www.scaleway.com/en/pricing/apple-silicon/

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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> Safari is the highest margin product Apple has ever made. Anybody has the number of committers to webkit from Apple? It would give us a good idea on the margin of the product. Assuming 100 engineers costing Apple 500k per year, that's 50 millions in investment for 20 billion in revenue. > For each 1% browser market share that Apple loses for Safari, Apple is set to lose $200 million in revenue per year. They should…

They don't want their iOS users to be happy using Windows.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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This Apple policy is the only thing stopping chrome from having a full monopoly, and we should be careful trying to remove it

Maybe when all browsing is under one monopoly then we'll finally care to regulate it properly instead of sticking our fingers in our ears and saying we have a different monopoly for iOS users so everything is fine.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Google does this too on Android in a few places. Stuff still opens in Chrome even if Firefox is the default.

Install "Choose Browser": https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.ub0r.androi... I have this installed and all links I can choose between Kiwi Browser or Firefox.

Isn't kiwi discontinued?
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