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Lead pigment in turmeric is the culprit in a global poisoning mystery (2024)

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What sort of proper schooling allows one to detect lead in ground turmeric? I guess proper schooling would help one understand the analysis techniques, but the machines are pretty expensive and most people don't have one at home. Regulations that require food products to be regularly surveyed for heavy metals or other contaminants seem more effective than requiring every household to own and operate analysis machines…

if the population was thoroughly educated then I imagine most food would be bought direct from farmers with test published alongside the crop because the population understands the importance of unadulterated food and are armed with the ability to test their food cheaply... once relationships are established with farmers and food providers then the need to test becomes less frequent

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Re: Lead pigment in turmeric is the culprit in a global poisoning mystery (2024)

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Although the headline sort of reveals the culprit, it's still sort of clickbaity; I think it ought to explain that it was specifically lead chromate added as a yellow pigment to the turmeric in Bangladesh in order to improve its salability, because the best turmeric is naturally a very similar bright yellow.

Re: Lead pigment in turmeric is the culprit in a global poisoning mystery (2024)

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I'm put off by how this is framed as a detective story. Pesticides that contain heavy metals and other carcinogens are a well known issue, with India (and South Asia more generally) being the worst affected. > You'll never guess the culprit Not knowing about turmeric comes off as deeply ignorant when a billion people consume it as part of their daily diet. > They don't know that this is harmful for human health Let m…

Em, because it was the farmers who were painting their turmeric with lead paint to make their whole turmeric look more appealing, not "mega-corporations."

Re: Lead pigment in turmeric is the culprit in a global poisoning mystery (2024)

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And just like that, there was a mad rush of mass-spectrometer-for-home-use startups.

X-ray fluorescence detects elements based on their characteristic electromagnetic spectrum when irradiated with x-rays. Not very much like a mass-spectrometer which creates a characteristic pattern of masses resulting from the test material as it is manipulated by the electron ionization or chemical ionization process. Where ions are detected across the atomic mass range of the particular spectrometer, forming a char…

The concentrations of lead being discussed here are as much as 1000 ppm or even higher.

Re: Lead pigment in turmeric is the culprit in a global poisoning mystery (2024)

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I don't think the NPR reporter is deliberately spinning the story. I think a lot of people don't really believe that other people are really different from them. The reporter would never knowingly poison people for money, so it's not comprehensible to them that lots of people in the world just don't care whether they do or not. The only reason in their minds that people would do such a thing are economic desperation…

I have numerous experiences being quoted by NPR reporters. I have regularly observed them to deliberately frame stories to interest their audience (as I believe they should). In this case, if the reporter claims poisoning without sufficient evidence, the reporter and their employer will be attacked. If the reporter provides no plausible explanation, the story will be found wanting.

I think actively claiming poisoning is too far. You don't have to do that to not present the story as Problem Solved with a neat little bow tied; I just think like GP there's probably not a really serious evaluation of the underlying issues that led us here, and it's going to crop up again and again in different ways, maybe not tumeric explicitly if monitoring continues.

FWIW I've also been quoted by reporters before, and was really upset. They framed what I was saying to mean exactly the opposite of what I was saying, I assume because it fit the story better - I am 100% certain they understood me at the time, because the full context of my remarks made it very clear and we had a long conversation. So I don't lend much credence anymore to things like "what did the people interviewed in this story actually think about anything."

Re: Lead pigment in turmeric is the culprit in a global poisoning mystery (2024)

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Wish there were some way to detect impurities like this at home.

I am not a chemist, so take this with a pinch of salt: wouldn't lead chromate + sodium bicarbonate make lead carbonate, a white precipitate? Sodium bicarbonate is likely in your kitchen cupboard already.

WP tells me lead chromate's solubility in water is 0.00001720 g/100 mL, so, no, it won't.

Re: Lead pigment in turmeric is the culprit in a global poisoning mystery (2024)

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post #100

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Heavy metals are so easy and cheap to test for that every distributor should be testing every batch, and calling the police if contamination is detected.

The X-ray fluorescence tests used in the market spectacle described in the article are very cheap and easy, but they require equipment that is very expensive from the perspective of your average Bangladesh greengrocer. There are other easy and cheap tests for heavy metals that don't require such expensive equipment, but they only work if the metal ions are water-soluble, which lead chromate isn't.

It would be super cheap to pop a teaspoon in an envelope and post it to a government test lab who has an xrf gun...

Re: Lead pigment in turmeric is the culprit in a global poisoning mystery (2024)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

X-ray fluorescence detects elements based on their characteristic electromagnetic spectrum when irradiated with x-rays. Not very much like a mass-spectrometer which creates a characteristic pattern of masses resulting from the test material as it is manipulated by the electron ionization or chemical ionization process. Where ions are detected across the atomic mass range of the particular spectrometer, forming a char…

The concentrations of lead being discussed here are as much as 1000 ppm or even higher.

Quoting perihelions's comment above:

[1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25214856/ ("Contaminated turmeric is a potential source of lead exposure for children in rural Bangladesh" / "Results: Lead concentrations in many turmeric samples were elevated, with lead concentrations as high as 483 ppm")

Re: Lead pigment in turmeric is the culprit in a global poisoning mystery (2024)

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Can someone validate the water test for lead adulterated turmeric? https://youtu.be/tXWPf0HQd5U?si=-SkT4EQB9SvMx7io

I don't follow youtube links during work hours as a personal policy but an India government webpage outlines the water test for whole tumeric: https://eatrightindia.gov.in/dart/ > Test 14 : Detection of lead chromate in turmeric whole > Testing Method: > * Add small quantity of turmeric whole in a transparent glass of water. > * Pure turmeric will not leave any colour. > * Adulterated turmeric appears to be bright in…

Test 15 is the test for powdered tumeric. Of course, their photographs also look photoshopped (the pure and adulterated photos have the exact same pattern near the bottom), which was rather confusing…

Re: Lead pigment in turmeric is the culprit in a global poisoning mystery (2024)

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I'm put off by how this is framed as a detective story. Pesticides that contain heavy metals and other carcinogens are a well known issue, with India (and South Asia more generally) being the worst affected. > You'll never guess the culprit Not knowing about turmeric comes off as deeply ignorant when a billion people consume it as part of their daily diet. > They don't know that this is harmful for human health Let m…

The article specifically rules out lead from pesticides

> Perhaps the lead came from agricultural pesticides? "We sampled hundreds of agrochemicals. Did not find lead in them," Forsyth says.

Lead chromate was deliberately added after harvesting to make it more yellow

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