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#101
post #73

>an endless stream of clickbait that destroys our ability to think deeply and clearly. Disagreed. News never changed. It was always exactly like this. The Pulitzer award was created because journalists lied and caused an assassination and the spanish war. The thing that changed is social media is letting everyone fact check the journalists and we're catching them in their lies. We are ushering in a new era of profess…

> News never changed. It was always exactly like this. That's not true. Bias and agenda have always existed, but there was a time when news sources clearly distinguished facts from opinions. In the US the shift arguably happened in 1987 when the fairness doctrine was abolished, and for-profit media companies were given freedom to publish anything they wanted. The 24/7 news cycle was established, and news sources oper…

>That's not true. Bias and agenda have always existed, but there was a time when news sources clearly distinguished facts from opinions. In the US the shift arguably happened in 1987 when the fairness doctrine was abolished, and for-profit media companies were given freedom to publish anything they wanted.

It's plausible that pre-1987 that journalism was better but I very much doubt it. There's tons of Vietnam war era journalism that was terribly bad.

>That's a bold take, if I ever saw one. You're actually saying that social media is a good thing for journalism?

Depends on your point of view. From government point of view it's terrible. If it's journalists being held accountable for their lies and agendas, way worse. These journalists will obviously hold anti-social media positions due to this.

But from the consumer of news point of view it's a fantastic improvement. Today i read an article about a 'prohibited night-vision' in Canada but there's literally no such thing in Canada. All night vision is legal in Canada.

>If anything, social media exacerbated the free-for-all problem of reporting. Suddenly, everyone was a news reporter, with zero moral or integrity obligations.

That's how freedom of the press works correct. If you dont have moral and integrity, good luck getting an audience.

>There's nothing inherently flawed about traditional news media. It just needs to be strongly regulated to report facts rather than opinions[1]. This regulation is literally impossible on social media. Journalism is not something anyone with a social media account can or should do. I'm not saying that journalism can't exist on social media—it certainly can. But on its own it's not a place where journalism can thrive.

The government regulating the news is literally the opposite of freedom of the press.

>I would go a step further and make journalism a licensed profession, with its own variant of the Hippocratic Oath. Making the line between fact and fiction as clear as possible is essential to living in reality. Otherwise, words can be weaponized and people can be manipulated into thinking and acting in ways that are beneficial to those in power.

So the government will revoke freedom of the press and license journalists? Just dont do that in my country, thanks.

>[1] To counter the argument "who gets to be the arbitrer of truth?",

You want the government to license journalists. You want to make the government the arbiter of truth.

Re: Kite News

#102
post #4

> World doesn't live in echo chambers. The reality emerges from the collision of different viewpoints and perspectives - that's how we separate signal from noise To be honest, when people start talking about "echo chambers" it's usually because they are upset that I won't listen to bigoted alt-right hate. For me this term has gained a really negative connotation. I understand the problem but hearing the same tired ra…

For additional context, it's difficult to separate press releases by Kagi from the views of its founder, who has been criticized[0] for partnering with Yandex after Russia invaded Ukraine, and for other statements involving politics and tech[1]. [0]: https://ioc.exchange/@troed/113311981054448887 [1]: https://chaos.social/@scy/111704636274463611

i honestly don't see much different between this and for example using windows whilst Microsoft is providing the compute that powers the ongoing genocide in Gaza. I Observe the BDS boycot by not giving MS money directly but avoiding all the companies that use Microsoft would be kinda ridiculous

Re: Kite News

#103
post #91

I get 5 out of 10 news about Trump! Is there really nothing else happening in the world?

He is a pretty important guy who does a lot of stuff all of the time that causes ripples throughout the entire world! I don’t read much about him beyond the headlines since I feel the same way about everything he does, but I understand why it fills up so much space.

Tbf it was different during his first term when every word he uttered made front-page news but rarely set off an actual major chain of events. That’s when I learned to tune out.

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#104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anti Kim Jong-un, a dictator, article is right leaning?

That's just how the left works today. Anything remotely aligns with the US's interest (criticizing NK, China, etc) is right leaning.

Why do you think that is?

Re: Kite News

#105
post #4

> World doesn't live in echo chambers. The reality emerges from the collision of different viewpoints and perspectives - that's how we separate signal from noise To be honest, when people start talking about "echo chambers" it's usually because they are upset that I won't listen to bigoted alt-right hate. For me this term has gained a really negative connotation. I understand the problem but hearing the same tired ra…

There are echo chambers on both ends of the political spectrum (and for various subcultures) but it’s obvious they are real if you are in the centre and find yourself politically homeless between two progressively extreme groups who are doing the same shit with different flavours.

> if you are in the centre and find yourself politically homeless

This is also an echo chamber

Re: Kite News

#106

Remember when we paid for Kagi because it was "search"? I was basically an unpaid sponsor of them for the last year or so, but damn this constant pipeline of new shiny stuff is getting on my nerves. How can a company focus on building a good search engine with a good index and algo if they are also developing a translator, an LLM assistant and now a damn news app? Please, Vlad, just build different companies and stop…

Who offers a better search engine?

Re: Kite News

#107
Overly AI processed stories from suspect sources (BoingBoing is a source for tech business news vs CNBC, NYT, Reuters etc?) and days old stories (Grok antisemitic posts) ranking high, Prime Day sales as 'news'. Not good first impression. Moving on.

Re: Kite News

#109

Remember when we paid for Kagi because it was "search"? I was basically an unpaid sponsor of them for the last year or so, but damn this constant pipeline of new shiny stuff is getting on my nerves. How can a company focus on building a good search engine with a good index and algo if they are also developing a translator, an LLM assistant and now a damn news app? Please, Vlad, just build different companies and stop…

Having to use Google for translation services sucks, and I use the Assistant everyday. I hope Kagi keeps building more stuff with my money.

Re: Kite News

#110

Remember when we paid for Kagi because it was "search"? I was basically an unpaid sponsor of them for the last year or so, but damn this constant pipeline of new shiny stuff is getting on my nerves. How can a company focus on building a good search engine with a good index and algo if they are also developing a translator, an LLM assistant and now a damn news app? Please, Vlad, just build different companies and stop…

Who offers a better search engine?

No one from what I can tell, that's why I still pay and give a damn. But they are missing a lot of desired features:

Financial: can't pay with Monero or cash, can't just buy Privacy Pass tokens instead of generating them from my account. Usability: can't access other features than Search with Privacy Pass, looking for a location doesn't pop a Maps widget, missing useful/cool search widgets from google and ddg (coinflip, rng, minigames, weather), bad Tor Browser integration (requires installing an add-on), bad/missing Mastodon search

But resources are being funneled towards replacing Google the company/stack instead of Google the search engine/app, so it begs the question if search is still really the top priority or not

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