GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X • Hacker News Board

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by needle0 » Thu, Aug 30, 2012, 2:40 AM UTC

nsxwolf wrote: post #87

btn wrote: post #69

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> Also, the app quits when the last window is closed, which isn't how OS X apps are supposed to behave. This is almost consistent with Apple's HIG: "In general, quit when users close the last open window in your app. [...] If users close the last remaining document window in a document-based app and switch to another app , it’s appropriate to quit the app" (emphasis added). [1] [1]: https://developer.apple.com/librar…

That's odd. I don't think I've ever seen this behavior. I just tried it with Pages and the application remained open.

The behavior in question is actually very new, as it became part of the guidelines only starting with 10.7 Lion. As Lion brought forth a whole lot of similar behavioral changes (which often conflict with those of either Windows/Linux or older versions of OS X), very few apps have adapted to the new rules so far.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by buu700 » Thu, Aug 30, 2012, 2:40 AM UTC

cmelbye wrote: post #37

naz wrote: post #36

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> Also, the app quits when the last window is closed, which isn't how OS X apps are supposed to behave. If anything, they're ahead of the curve. Most Apple apps are beginning to follow this behavior: App Store, Calculator, Contacts, Dictionary, DVD Player, FaceTime, Font Book, Game Center, Garage Band, Image Capture, iPhoto, and so on.

Notice how most (all?) of those are single window applications.

So is Gimp, with the release of 2.8 (well, the option's there anyway).

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by graue » Thu, Aug 30, 2012, 2:55 AM UTC

w1ntermute wrote: post #58

MikeCapone wrote: post #23

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Photoshop's splash screen doesn't stay on top of all other windows and steal focus, at least not in the version that I have. If anyone from GIMP is reading this, I strongly recommend that you fix that or at least allow us to disable the splash screen. Thank you.

Have you tried this: http://kuoi.com/~kamikaze/read.php?id=129 Looks kind of old, but it might still work.

Off-topic rant: "Someone with spare time on their hands feel like adding a 'Disable splash screen' checkbox to the preferences panel?" That suggestion illustrates a common anti-pattern in open source software. Broken behavior should simply be fixed, not receive an extra option to turn it off. No one wants to have to check an "unbreak my software" checkbox.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by nspragmatic » Thu, Aug 30, 2012, 3:11 AM UTC

tuananh wrote: post #97

jarcoal wrote: post #89

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Give it a try with TextEdit and you'll see the expected response.

Cmd W closes the document without quitting TextEdit. just tested on lion. Mac is document-based instead of application-based so closing document doesn't quit the app. it only does if multiple documents doesn't make sense to the application like System Preferences.

You're doing it wrong.

This is the HIG quote from above:

> "In general, quit when users close the last open window in your app. [...] If users close the last remaining document window in a document-based app and switch to another app, it’s appropriate to quit the app" (emphasis added).

In TextEdit, close the last document and then _switch to another app_. You're missing the last step.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by w1ntermute » Thu, Aug 30, 2012, 3:25 AM UTC

graue wrote: post #103

w1ntermute wrote: post #58

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Have you tried this: http://kuoi.com/~kamikaze/read.php?id=129 Looks kind of old, but it might still work.

Off-topic rant: "Someone with spare time on their hands feel like adding a 'Disable splash screen' checkbox to the preferences panel?" That suggestion illustrates a common anti-pattern in open source software. Broken behavior should simply be fixed, not receive an extra option to turn it off. No one wants to have to check an "unbreak my software" checkbox.

I don't think this is necessarily broken behavior. Photoshop has a splash screen too, and from what I understand, it's there because of the long loading time.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by drivebyacct2 » Thu, Aug 30, 2012, 3:28 AM UTC

nsxwolf wrote: post #87

btn wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also, the app quits when the last window is closed, which isn't how OS X apps are supposed to behave. This is almost consistent with Apple's HIG: "In general, quit when users close the last open window in your app. [...] If users close the last remaining document window in a document-based app and switch to another app , it’s appropriate to quit the app" (emphasis added). [1] [1]: https://developer.apple.com/librar…

That's odd. I don't think I've ever seen this behavior. I just tried it with Pages and the application remained open.

It seems to be one of non-Mac users biggest complaints but I love it. I can close my Chrome windows and remove the clutter without having to pay the cost of having it start up again. It's a good-bad habit because then I go to Linux and Ctrl+W all my tabs and then hit Ctrl+T and realize my mistake.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by zmmmmm » Thu, Aug 30, 2012, 3:35 AM UTC

mikeryan wrote: post #78

drats wrote: post #9

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For anyone who's not doing graphics as their main job description it is a photoshop killer. Asides from integration with other Adobe products, print colour management and a few higher level features it has everything a person might need who's main job is not image processing. That's most of the "market" in terms of general home users and web designers who need to process photos and do logos etc. So while I imagine ph…

For anyone who's not doing graphics as their main job description it is a photoshop killer. Doing Graphics is not my main job description, far from it (somewhere between damage control and janitor is more like it), but I still do a lot of front end development, at my job I prefer to do all the graphics production work myself for the apps I'm building and have tried using GIMP a crap ton of times over the years - I've…

Gimp is like the 'vi' of image editors. I hated it too but I slowly learned all the keys and now I find I can work at such incredible speed with Gimp that anything else seems awkward and slow. My right hand is on the mouse which never has to leave the canvas / work area and my left hand is dancing on the keyboard. Using Gimp primarily with a mouse is certainly a disaster of usability though.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by ChuckMcM » Thu, Aug 30, 2012, 3:40 AM UTC

kstenerud wrote: post #74

adgar wrote: post #34

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It sounds like your parent poster is saying it shows the splash screen over all applications and there's nothing you can do about it. Which is needlessly inconsiderate.

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Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by mng2 » Thu, Aug 30, 2012, 3:50 AM UTC

Nicole060 wrote: post #84

armored_mammal wrote: post #22

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In general open source creative tools have come a long way - with Scribus, Gimp, Inkscape, Darktable, Ardour, Blender, etc. all being quite functional, I think there is a pretty strong argument for the 'open source creative suite' being more than capable enough for all but the most stringent professionals.

I don't know about the others, because I mainly do photo stuff ( Darktable seems decent though, and it has a been a long time since I've run linux on my desktop computer so I don't know how far it went ), but the GIMP is NOT functional in any way for a professional and a professional who is not willing to spend some dollars to get something that triples his productivity is NOT a professional. The GIMP doesn't even su…

The GIMP has "layer modes."

http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-concepts-layer-modes.html

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by delackner » Thu, Aug 30, 2012, 4:02 AM UTC

Some day in the distant future perhaps there will actually be a non-photoshop 100% psd compatible editor. I thought I could just tell my designer to do File -> Export Layers as PNG, but that command in Photoshop is intentionally broken, churning for several minutes before producing even the first of many output files. In the meantime, while I like seeing how far Gimp has come, it just isn't an option for me.