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What Microchip doesn't (officially) tell you about the VSC8512

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True, and Microchip is still good when compared to the likes of Broadcom and Qualcomm.

I don't do embedded work, but I see Broadcom and Qualcomm show up a lot in Linux bugs. I'd love to hear stories of what it's like to work with chips from these companies.

As a small company with relatively low volumes (10,000s) , the only way to work with them is via an OEM who has an existing relationship with a distributor (not with the actual semiconductor company). That means you won't own your PCB design, at least for most OEMs, because they don't make money on the NRE (non recurring expense) so need you to use them for manufacturing to make back their investment.

For larger volumes, ~100,000 you get to talk to a distributor yourself and design your own pcb. You still won't get to talk to anyone at BigSemiCo, but you will get access to datasheets and (probably) drivers. You will have to sign an NDA.

For their largest customers, they go all out. The customer gets significant input into the design roadmap years in advance. They can get cost-reduced versions of existing parts that leave off blocks they aren't using. reference board designs and example software are provided (to the extent that low-margin, enormous volume customers sometimes just change the html logo and ship). If the product needs integrating, Field Engineers will be flown out to assist.

There are some levels between these last two, where they will talk to you but not invest as much.

Take the above numbers with a pinch of salt; it's been a while since I was in that industry

Re: What Microchip doesn't (officially) tell you about the VSC8512

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On the topic of Microchip and secrecy: I downloaded and installed their IDE, MPLAB X IDE v6.20. It is for a pic3mx chip. The compiler looks like a completely generic gcc, built to cross-compile on a Windows host. However, they want a $1000.00 “licensing fee” in order to enable any optimization level above -O0. This seems wrong. Wouldn’t this be a violation of the copyleft license covering gcc? I’m guessing there’s so…

They have the source code on their website: https://www.microchip.com/en-us/tools-resources/archives/mpl...

Re: What Microchip doesn't (officially) tell you about the VSC8512

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I don't know what's it like to work with their chips, but I worked at one of them designing chips. There is often a block designed by someone 10 years ago but left the company, it has bugs, but nobody dares to touch it and fix it because "we knyiw ots bugs" and nobody really knows what's happening under the hood. So someone writes a wrapper for the next gen, to add new features. This person soon leaves the company..…

oh wow. do they at least keep a list of known bugs centrally? or do they just hope nobody notices?

They do, but it's hidden from the customer of course.
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