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Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by keyringlight » Sat, Jul 05, 2025, 12:11 AM UTC

neuroelectron wrote: post #42

Seems a bit calculated and agreed across the industry. What can really make sense of Microsoft's acquisitions and ruining of billion dollar IPs? It's a manufactured collapse of the gaming industry. They want to centralize control of the market and make it a service based (rent seeking) sector. I'm not saying they all got together and decided this together but their wonks are probably all saying the same thing. The ma…

As much as they've got large resources, I'm not sure what projects they could reasonably throw a mountain of money at and expect to change things, and presumably benefit from in the future instead of doing it to be a a force of chaos in the industry. Valve's efforts all seem to orbit around the store, that's their main business and everything else seems like a loss-leader to get you buying through it even if it comes across as a pet project of a group of employees.

The striking one for me is their linux efforts, at least as far as I'm aware they don't do a lot that isn't tied to the steam deck (or similar devices) or running games available on steam through linux. Even the deck APU is derived from the semi-custom work AMD did for the consoles, they're benefiting from a second later harvest that MS/Sony have invested (hundreds of millions?) in many years earlier. I suppose a lot of it comes down to what Valve needs to support their customers (developers/publishers), they don't see the point in pioneering and establishing some new branch of tech with developers.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by goalieca » Sat, Jul 05, 2025, 12:13 AM UTC

system2 wrote: post #26

Why does the hero image of this website says "Made with GIMP"? I've never seen a web banner saying "Made with Photoshop" or anything similar.

Were you on the internet in the 90s? Lots of banners like that on every site.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by mystified5016 » Sat, Jul 05, 2025, 12:13 AM UTC

snackbroken wrote: post #91

frollogaston wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also playing PC video games doesn't even require a Nvidia GPU. It does sorta require Windows. I don't want to use that, so guess I lost the ability to waste tons of time playing boring games, oh no.

Out of the 11 games I've bought through Steam this year, I've had to refund one (1) because it wouldn't run under Proton, two (2) had minor graphical glitches that didn't meaningfully affect my enjoyment of them, and two (2) had native Linux builds. Proton has gotten good enough that I've switched from spending time researching if I can play a game to just assuming that I can. Presumably ymmv depending on your taste…

The only games in my library at all that don't work on linux are indie games from the early 2000s, and I'm comfortable blaming the games themselves in this case.

I also don't play any games that require a rootkit, so..

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by ThatPlayer » Sat, Jul 05, 2025, 12:13 AM UTC

Retr0id wrote: post #74

jekwoooooe wrote: post #45

This guy makes some good points but he clearly has a bone to pick. Calling dlss snake oil was where I stopped reading

Yeah, computer graphics has always been "software trickery" all the way down. There are valid points to be made about DLSS being marketed in misleading ways, but I don't think it being "software trickery" is a problem at all.

Exactly. Running games at a lower resolution isn't new. I remember changing the size of the viewport in the original DOOM 1993 to get it to run faster. Making a lower resolution look better without having to run at a higher resolution is the exact same problem anti-aliasing has been tackling forever. DLSS is just another form of AA that is now so advanced, you can go from an even lower resolution and still look good.

So even when I'm running a game at native resolution, I still want anti-aliasing, and DLSS is a great choice then.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by strictnein » Sat, Jul 05, 2025, 12:14 AM UTC

This really makes no sense:

> This in turn sparked rumors about NVIDIA purposefully keeping stock low to make it look like the cards are in high demand to drive prices. And sure enough, on secondary markets, the cards go way above MSRP

Nvidia doesn't earn more money when cards are sold above MSRP, but they get almost all the hate for it. Why would they set themselves up for that?

Scalpers are a retail wide problem. Acting like Nvidia has the insight or ability to prevent them is just silly. People may not believe this, but retailers hate it as well and spend millions of dollars trying to combat it. They would have sold the product either way, but scalping results in the retailer's customers being mad and becoming some other company's customers, which are both major negatives.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by ionwake » Sat, Jul 05, 2025, 12:14 AM UTC

rcxdude wrote: post #93

ionwake wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried to understand the point of your reply but Im not sure what your point was - I only seemed to glean "its easier to balance if the operator is moving it". Please elaborate unless Im being thick. EDIT > I upvoted your comment in any case as Im sure its helping

'control system' in this case is not implying remote control, it's referring to the feedback system that adjust the actuators in response to the sensed information. If the motion is controlled automatically, then the control loop can in principle anticipate the motion in a way that it could not if it was remote controlled: i.e. the opposite, it's easier to control the motions (in terms of maintaining balance and avoi…

Thank you for the explanation

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by timschmidt » Sat, Jul 05, 2025, 12:15 AM UTC

ionwake wrote: post #97

timschmidt wrote: post #82

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It seems to me like both cases raised by OP - the Disney droids and Optimus - are cases of people making assumptions and then getting upset that their assumptions were wrong and making accusations. Neither company was very forthcoming about the robots being piloted, but neither seems to be denying it either. And both seem to use RL / ML techniques to maintain balance, locomotion, etc. Not unlike Boston Dynamics' bots…

If you look at the video he says " this is real time simulation .. can you believe it" basically : https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jD5y1eQ3Y_o Yet he lists all the RL stuff that we know is used in the robot, he isnt being silent and saying " this robot is aided by AI" , or better yet, not commenting on the specifics, ( which would have been totally ok ), instead he is saying " This is real life simulation", which it i…

I have written motion control firmwares for 20+ years, and "this is real time simulation" has very domain-specific meaning to me. "Real time" means the code is responding to events as they happen, like with interrupts, and not via preemptible processing which could get out of sync with events. "simulation" is used by most control systems from simple PID loops to advanced balancing and motion planning.

It is clearly - to me at least - doing both of those things.

I think you're reading things into what he said that aren't there.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by dboreham » Sat, Jul 05, 2025, 12:19 AM UTC

dwattttt wrote: post #95

rcxdude wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'control system' in this case is not implying remote control, it's referring to the feedback system that adjust the actuators in response to the sensed information. If the motion is controlled automatically, then the control loop can in principle anticipate the motion in a way that it could not if it was remote controlled: i.e. the opposite, it's easier to control the motions (in terms of maintaining balance and avoi…

Apologies, yes, "control system" is somewhat niche jargon. "Balance system" is probably more appropriate.

Well "control system" is a proper term understood by anyone with a decent STEM education since 150 years ago.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by Ancapistani » Sat, Jul 05, 2025, 12:20 AM UTC

I disagree with some of the article’s points - primarily, that nVidia’s drivers were ever “good” - but the gist I agree with.

I have a 4070 Ti right now. I use it for inference and VR gaming on a Pimax Crystal (2880x2880x2). In War Thunder I get ~60 FPS. I’d love to be able to upgrade to a card with at least 16GB of VRAM and better graphics performance… but as far as I can tell, such a card does not exist at any price.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by Larrikin » Sat, Jul 05, 2025, 12:20 AM UTC

AtariATMHacker wrote: post #35

ionwake wrote: post #10

I don’t want to jump on nvidia but I found it super weird when they clearly remote controlled a Disney bot onto the stage and claimed it was all using real time AI which was clearly impossible due to no latency and weirdly the bot verifying correct stage position in relation to the presenter. It was obviously the Disney bot just being controlled by someone off stage. I found it super alarming because why would they f…

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I assume any green accounts that are just asking questions with no research are usually lying. Actual new users will just comment and say their thoughts to join the community.