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What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by negativepanda »

bluecalm wrote: post #50
negativepanda wrote: post #44

There's one very simple "nootropic" that I've discovered many years ago and have been doing most days of the week. Buying a cup of coffee and taking a walk in nature. It makes me feel better than just coffee or just walking in nature. Another benefit is that in the days I can do this, I have something to look forward to since waking up.

In myy experience it works even better with a stimulant with a smoother curve than caffeine and optionally a bit more intensive (but still on lighter side) exercise.

Can you give some examples of the stimulants?

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

majkinetor wrote: post #23
Workaccount2 wrote: post #2

Another win for exercising. It's crazy to me how many people have miserable health, complain about their body and mental state endlessly, but still put up any roadblock they can think of to avoid exercising of any form.

And yet, nobody mentions how supplements can't generally damage you, but a few days in a gym can fuck you up for an entire year, even with a lot of experience. I basically never met anybody who does regular resistance training without having some sort of pain somewhere, all the time. Maybe if you are underdoing it its possible but if you follow the muscle building theory, you are certainly going to get fucked eventua…

Ive been doing 3x weekly calisthenics for about 3 years and apart from occasional overuse-tendon-soreness that clears up in about a week, ive never had any problems. In fact im way less prone to injury and an ongoing shoulder issue I had cleared up after getting better at pullups

So, I disagree with you. If you take it slow and listen to your body and maintain good form youre golden.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by MangoToupe »

pphysch wrote: post #89
MangoToupe wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> non-processed foods Do you really not eat bread? We've got to come up with better ways to categorize foods. At face value such a term seems to imply you should only eat raw food.

I do avoid eating (highly processed white) bread in most meals, because it doesn't make me feel great. We're really targeting "highly-processed" foods. Personally I draw a line between sausage that went through something resembling a hand-powered meat grinder vs. sausage that has been obliterated into a fine pink sludge and reformed. Both are processed, but the latter is highly processed, with more room for additives…

The issue with sausage isn't the processing, it's the preservatives and the choice of meats (and their corresponding nutrients) that go into the sausage.

My understanding is that degree of "processing" is acknowledged to be an imperfect metric, just one that fits easily with EU labeling concerns. I just don't think that's as useful as is advertised.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by majkinetor »

jwr wrote: post #98
majkinetor wrote: post #23

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And yet, nobody mentions how supplements can't generally damage you, but a few days in a gym can fuck you up for an entire year, even with a lot of experience. I basically never met anybody who does regular resistance training without having some sort of pain somewhere, all the time. Maybe if you are underdoing it its possible but if you follow the muscle building theory, you are certainly going to get fucked eventua…

> I basically never met anybody who does regular resistance training without having some sort of pain somewhere, all the time. As a counterpoint, since you seem to like anecdata: I am around 50 and have been doing weightlifting for the last 8 years. No pain. No injury. Extreme positive effects on my entire life. I would respectfully suggest that you need to a) know what you are doing, e.g. start with a trainer, and b…

Exercise professors are guys teaching exercise science on universities.

Your experience is extraordinary, you seem to be protected for some reason or have high pain threshold or simply do not exercise hard enough. "Extreme positive effects on your entire life", that's so unbelievable, there is no such thing apart from acute drugs. I would respectfully suggest you to not deceive others, if you are deceiving yourself.

I am not trying to be an athlete, I am just observing the world around me. I also recommend exercise, its just not a silver bullet the guys like you are promoting. Its also almost totally useless for weight control, the thing that most people exercise for.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by majkinetor »

DontchaKnowit wrote: post #102
majkinetor wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet, nobody mentions how supplements can't generally damage you, but a few days in a gym can fuck you up for an entire year, even with a lot of experience. I basically never met anybody who does regular resistance training without having some sort of pain somewhere, all the time. Maybe if you are underdoing it its possible but if you follow the muscle building theory, you are certainly going to get fucked eventua…

Ive been doing 3x weekly calisthenics for about 3 years and apart from occasional overuse-tendon-soreness that clears up in about a week, ive never had any problems. In fact im way less prone to injury and an ongoing shoulder issue I had cleared up after getting better at pullups So, I disagree with you. If you take it slow and listen to your body and maintain good form youre golden.

Isn't that just crazy, you have "ongoing shoulder issue" and claim to never had any problems?

It seems that people just widely overhype their lifestyle or simply get accustomed to everyday pains.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by MangoToupe »

reducesuffering wrote: post #94
MangoToupe wrote: post #81

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>It's crazy to me how many people have miserable health, complain about their body and mental state endlessly, but still put up any roadblock they can think of to avoid exercising of any form. I don't think it's that weird. Exercising, particularly cardio, for its own sake, without something you're trying to accomplish with your effort, feels very bad.

Humans are evolutionarily adapted to running. Yes, going from a modern sedentary lifestyle to running will feel rough for a few months as you acclimate (and most people don't start off at the slow 11 min. / mile [7 min. / km] pace they should). But there's a reason marathons are so popular, running and exercise starts to feel really good.

> Yes, going from a modern sedentary lifestyle to running will feel rough for a few months as you acclimate

Right. Which is why people don't exercise. That's a lot to ask of people with other things on their plate.

To be clear, I know I should exercise. I just find it very difficult to do so, and it's very easy to convince yourself you should do something else with that energy.

I think team sports are probably the best way to get into exercise. This allows tying the benefit directly into a reward system. I ran long-distance in high school and, without teammates to let down, it was very difficult to push myself beyond the bare minimum effort. Most of us don't have the ability to summon a team sport into our work schedule though.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by bluecalm »

negativepanda wrote: post #101
bluecalm wrote: post #50

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In myy experience it works even better with a stimulant with a smoother curve than caffeine and optionally a bit more intensive (but still on lighter side) exercise.

Can you give some examples of the stimulants?

Modafinil 50-100mg or micro dose of long release amphetamine like Vyvanse.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by spacemadness »

majkinetor wrote: post #76
spacemadness wrote: post #48

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That’s just not true. I’ve been lifting heavy for many years and have had my share of injuries, sure. But they heal. My body feels great. I’m almost 50 and I have no back pain, or other pains I see people constantly complaining about that are near my age and don’t do any resistance training. The only reason I injured myself is because I overreached. So that’s in ones control. I tend to overdo it from time to time if…

You just said its true. Yes, most of the things heal, but one day they don't. I am 50, take 0 drugs, and look better than in 20. Back doesn't hurt. Metformin did help more than exercise, though. Note that I didn't exercise at all until 45.

You just focused on what you wanted to and ignored the rest.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by majkinetor »

spacemadness wrote: post #109
majkinetor wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just said its true. Yes, most of the things heal, but one day they don't. I am 50, take 0 drugs, and look better than in 20. Back doesn't hurt. Metformin did help more than exercise, though. Note that I didn't exercise at all until 45.

You just focused on what you wanted to and ignored the rest.

Yes, because that is the point I am making. That exercise hurts, sometimes quite a lot. I never said its not beneficial, quite contrary.
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