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Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Post by ryandrake »

daqnz wrote: post #42
JimDabell wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is a lot worse than the U2 thing. Operating systems bundle free stuff all the time. Even the Windows 95 CD had a Weezer music video on it. The U2 album wasn’t spammy it didn’t interrupt people, it was in an appropriate place, and it was easily removed. Even if you didn’t want it, it’s reasonable to not consider it a problem. This was outright spammy. It was trying to sell people something. It was in a se…

Completely disagree, for many people it was the only track in iTunes. And when things triggered iTunes to play it played that. I was in an older man’s car last year. It started playing the album. He remarked “oh that always plays, I don’t know why” as I reached for the volume. A decade later that album is still annoying people. Bluetooth triggered play or something like that and the only music on the old iPhone start…

I’ve met so many people who only have that one album on their devices, and it plays every time they plug into their car or connect via Bluetooth. And they are all just annoyed/accepting of it. My wife was one of them. And what made it worse was you couldn’t just pause it: with her car’s particular head unit, anything you touched (like the volume control) would cause the head unit to issue another “play music” command to restart it. Eventually enough was enough and I figured out how to remove the album for good.

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Post by rwc »

ksec wrote: post #95
latexr wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is the fact that Apple openly attack Ads, condemns Ads What? No they don’t. I wish. Where did you get that idea? Apple loves ads. They do a ton of them and sell them to you. You can’t do an App Store search without seeing an ad right at the top, and the bottom, and the sides, and under your pillow. It’s absolutely littered with them. What Apple rails against is the tracking and invasion of privacy. Which inciden…

The App Store Search and iCloud Ads are relatively recent thing. The focus on tracking and invasion of privacy is also a refined version of it. Their whole PR campaign from 2017 to 2020 against ads. ( And it was more targeting Facebook Ads without saying it. Which Apple plan to destroy ) Somewhere between 2019 - 2022 They literally have to come out and said to say they are not against ads but only against tracking be…

I think you've got your timeline mixed up. App Store search ads debuted in 2016, prior to your entire narrative.

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Post by netsharc »

ryandrake wrote: post #96
avhception wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While Google may or may not refrain from putting ads in their wallet app due to this incident, the aggressive ways that they use to get me to use the wallet app have been off putting enough. Every now and then, there is a full-screen popup on my phone that wants to onboard me into the wallet app. The only options I have are "yes" or "later". Clearly a company that operates on the principle of "If the user doesn't wan…

To be fair, the “Yes, Maybe Later” pattern can be seen throughout Silicon Valley. Tech companies, by and large, cannot accept “No” from users.

What I learned about consent I learned from megacorps...

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Post by lozenge »

andrewinardeer wrote: post #17

I'm sure at some marketing meeting at Google, a VP racing for pole posiiton has wanted to green-light the idea of putting advertisements in their Wallet app. With any luck this backlash against Apple is so significant that a red flag is waved so ferociously that Google will never blast an advertisement out to their Google Wallet users. As the article outlines, I am sure that due to the sheer number of people who use…

Google already has ads in their Wallet. https://madeby.tfl.gov.uk/2025/03/31/google-pay-tube-challen...

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Post by encom »

latexr wrote: post #58
ksec wrote: post #51

The problem isn't sending an Ad to Wallet. It is the fact that Apple openly attack Ads, condemns Ads, talk about privacy as fundamental human rights, and then have targeted Ads, in a place / software / services where no body expected it to appear. And not everybody has the Ad, so by HN / Reddit / Internet definition that Ad is targeted. The thing I used to like about Apple, even if you disagree with some of its decis…

> It is the fact that Apple openly attack Ads, condemns Ads What? No they don’t. I wish. Where did you get that idea? Apple loves ads. They do a ton of them and sell them to you. You can’t do an App Store search without seeing an ad right at the top, and the bottom, and the sides, and under your pillow. It’s absolutely littered with them. What Apple rails against is the tracking and invasion of privacy. Which inciden…

Apple is absolutely fine with tracking and privacy invasion, as long as they're the ones doing it.

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Post by lozenge »

avhception wrote: post #53
andrewinardeer wrote: post #17

I'm sure at some marketing meeting at Google, a VP racing for pole posiiton has wanted to green-light the idea of putting advertisements in their Wallet app. With any luck this backlash against Apple is so significant that a red flag is waved so ferociously that Google will never blast an advertisement out to their Google Wallet users. As the article outlines, I am sure that due to the sheer number of people who use…

While Google may or may not refrain from putting ads in their wallet app due to this incident, the aggressive ways that they use to get me to use the wallet app have been off putting enough. Every now and then, there is a full-screen popup on my phone that wants to onboard me into the wallet app. The only options I have are "yes" or "later". Clearly a company that operates on the principle of "If the user doesn't wan…

Have you tried going to "App Info" and "Disable" for Wallet?

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Post by lozenge »

lycopodiopsida wrote: post #94
JimDabell wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is a lot worse than the U2 thing. Operating systems bundle free stuff all the time. Even the Windows 95 CD had a Weezer music video on it. The U2 album wasn’t spammy it didn’t interrupt people, it was in an appropriate place, and it was easily removed. Even if you didn’t want it, it’s reasonable to not consider it a problem. This was outright spammy. It was trying to sell people something. It was in a se…

This damn U2 album still appears in my smart playlists in Apple Music from time to time - it is insane that I can’t delete it completely so many years later.

Apparently they removed the removal tool in 2018, you now have to contact Apple Support to get it removed.

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Post by jama211 »

jwr wrote: post #72
keiferski wrote: post #40

Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

Jobs was no angel, but he did follow "build great things and profits will come" philosophy. Apple these days is run for profit: profits are clearly first, and good things might accidentally come as well as a side effect. That would be ok, because competition, except these days the moat is huge: it is very difficult for a new entrant to compete.

They did loads of tacky things back in the day, we’ve just forgotten about them.

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Post by jama211 »

ZenoArrow wrote: post #78
tokioyoyo wrote: post #63

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There were ~60M iPhone users when Jobs was the CEO. There are about ~1.4B right now. Both respectively accomplished very respectable things. It’s not selling for a quick buck if he was able to scale the business to such degrees. That being said, I agree that Apple makes a lot of wrongs.

> There are about ~1.4B right now. What are you basing this on, the total number of iPhones sold since 2007? If so, it doesn't account for the users that have bought multiple iPhones.

One google shows that’s considered the “current active user” count, not total sales. 2.3 billion by Jan 2024 (so more now) is the estimate for total sales.

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Post by hibikir »

drysart wrote: post #15
bambax wrote: post #12

> That Apple can be trusted in ways that other “big tech” companies cannot. That's funny. Why would Apple be "different"?

Because Apple makes its money by selling you hardware and services, not by selling advertising. Companies ultimately serve whoever they make their money from; and none of the other big tech players have a comprehensive business model where the end user is the customer instead of the product. And because it has positioned itself as the single most prominent privacy-conscious champion in big tech through repeated actio…

The fact that they make money doing something doesn't stop hungry PMs and VPs from pushing other revenue sources.

Amazon used to sell us items, now ad sales are a big part of their storefront's revenue. Cable used to not have ads.

If you aren't paying, you are the product doesn't also imply that if you paying you are definitely not the product. To the modern exec, everything and everyone is the product. I an surprised that gig economy apps aren't also selling the eyeballs of their workers, making them watch ads to work.

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