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Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by vishalontheline »

cornfieldlabs wrote: post #79
pulkitanand wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your landing page talks about all the right goals. postx is a good placeholder name, I recommend ideating a better name for launch. looking forward, wish you the best.

new users will face the empty feed problem since by design one can't find anyone without their code. No "People you may know" or "select at least N interests or follow N accounts to continue". I think early adopters will invite their friends to join and that is the only way. Got any suggestions?

Show 3 walls side by side: updates by friends, interactions by direct connections on shares by friends of friends, and public stories by those nearby (geographically). The latter could also turn into a way for local businesses to promote themselves. Keep the 3 in separate lanes in order to let the user decide how much they want to doom scroll.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by wat10000 »

ashdksnndck wrote: post #52
wat10000 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The plans were available in the basement, behind the door that says “beware of the leopard.” Nothing on that screen says they’re using your photos for training. I’m sure it’s in the linked terms, but Facebook knows those won’t be read.

The consent screen says “upload it to our cloud on an ongoing basis” and “analyzed by meta AI”. To me that seems like a reasonable level of explanation for non-technical users. Most people don’t know what it means to “train” an AI, but reading that meta is processing the photos in the cloud and analyzing them with AI gives them some picture. This isn’t buried. The user has to see the screen and click accept for their…

People are not going to understand it that way. You know it, I know it, and Facebook knows it. Don’t excuse them for hiding what they’re doing on the basis that people don’t know what it means anyway. I’m pretty sure the average moron can understand “training AI,” considering that both “training” and “AI” are pretty common concepts. Sure, they won’t be able to explain gradient descent and whatever, but “training AI” is something people will recognize as using your data to improve their stuff.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by cornfieldlabs »

vishalontheline wrote: post #101
cornfieldlabs wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

new users will face the empty feed problem since by design one can't find anyone without their code. No "People you may know" or "select at least N interests or follow N accounts to continue". I think early adopters will invite their friends to join and that is the only way. Got any suggestions?

Show 3 walls side by side: updates by friends, interactions by direct connections on shares by friends of friends, and public stories by those nearby (geographically). The latter could also turn into a way for local businesses to promote themselves. Keep the 3 in separate lanes in order to let the user decide how much they want to doom scroll.

Thanks for the thoughts.

But we are not interested turning into Facebook. You will only see posts of your friends and nothing more.

I was spending 8+ hours a day doom scrolling which led to this idea. I just want to see what my friends want me to see and that's it.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by blindriver »

ants_everywhere wrote: post #6

This is why I requested family not to post pictures of my children on Facebook. They will get to decide what to do with their likenesses when they're older. It seemed cruel to let Facebook train a model on them from the time they were babies until they first start using social media in earnest.

There are children who don't even know if they want to be spies or undercover cops when they grow up that have already been identified by facial recognition. There will be an entire generation or more of spies and undercover agents that will have been identified before they had a chance to even contemplate their lives in that field.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by cameldrv »

AJ007 wrote: post #3

Very helpful for ad targeting. As Apple kills tracking and ramps up its own ad business, Meta will need to collect as many signals as possible.

Yeah holy crap can you imagine the data goldmine of all the things they could know about you from analyzing every photo you ever take with AI?

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

#106

Post by DSingularity »

coef2 wrote: post #16

I miss the old days when Facebook was simply a fun way to reconnect with friend and family who lived far away. Unfortunately, those days are gone. It feels like an over engineered attention-hogging system that collects a large amount of data and risks people's mental health along the way.

Risks people’s mental health? I would say it is pretty obvious that FB and IG are bad for people. Some may have a natural mental fortitude and can survive it without instruction but for the rest of us we need some instructions on how to use these platforms without compromising key aspects of our mental health.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

#107

Post by ashdksnndck »

wat10000 wrote: post #102
ashdksnndck wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The consent screen says “upload it to our cloud on an ongoing basis” and “analyzed by meta AI”. To me that seems like a reasonable level of explanation for non-technical users. Most people don’t know what it means to “train” an AI, but reading that meta is processing the photos in the cloud and analyzing them with AI gives them some picture. This isn’t buried. The user has to see the screen and click accept for their…

People are not going to understand it that way. You know it, I know it, and Facebook knows it. Don’t excuse them for hiding what they’re doing on the basis that people don’t know what it means anyway. I’m pretty sure the average moron can understand “training AI,” considering that both “training” and “AI” are pretty common concepts. Sure, they won’t be able to explain gradient descent and whatever, but “training AI”…

Granted, many people could guess what “train” means, but it’s not obvious if on average people will be more likely to read and understand that than the words “analyze” and “create ideas” they choose to use instead.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by fvgvkujdfbllo »

huhkerrf wrote: post #80
ants_everywhere wrote: post #6

This is why I requested family not to post pictures of my children on Facebook. They will get to decide what to do with their likenesses when they're older. It seemed cruel to let Facebook train a model on them from the time they were babies until they first start using social media in earnest.

I did the same. And then my mother-in-law decided to ignore my requests. And then my mother got angry. And then I caved.

They are simply addicted to likes and photos of your children can hook them up easily.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by absurdo »

DSingularity wrote: post #106
coef2 wrote: post #16

I miss the old days when Facebook was simply a fun way to reconnect with friend and family who lived far away. Unfortunately, those days are gone. It feels like an over engineered attention-hogging system that collects a large amount of data and risks people's mental health along the way.

Risks people’s mental health? I would say it is pretty obvious that FB and IG are bad for people. Some may have a natural mental fortitude and can survive it without instruction but for the rest of us we need some instructions on how to use these platforms without compromising key aspects of our mental health.

I’d like to see a proper study on this that can be replicated before I jump on this train. And I’m a supporter of Jonathan “the kids are not alright” Haidt but let’s not kid ourselves his work is questionable throughout.

It’s easy to dogpile. I’d like to see more proof, that’s all. “It’s obvious” doesn’t cut it for me. For one, we have major societal problems that are being exposed through these platforms, and the mere knowledge of the problem has a negative impact on the individual. Do we shut the platform down because it’s showing us things we don’t want to see, or do we fix the societal problem? And many others.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by b00ty4breakfast »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #53
ants_everywhere wrote: post #6

This is why I requested family not to post pictures of my children on Facebook. They will get to decide what to do with their likenesses when they're older. It seemed cruel to let Facebook train a model on them from the time they were babies until they first start using social media in earnest.

Some cultures long avoided being photographed, because they believed the camera would steal their soul. It took the rest of us much longer to realize they were right.

As is the wont of industrial society, we had to meticulously design and build our demons.
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