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DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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"We had difficulties accessing OpenAI, our data provider." /s

It would be hypocritical to criticize DeepSeek if this is true, since OpenAI and all major players in this space train their models on everything they can get their hands on, with zero legal or moral concerns. Pot, meet kettle.

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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"wildly popular"? maybe there was alot of interest when it was released, but who even is still using R1 these days? i previously utilized it through perplexity but the o3/Gemini pro models are so much better i rarely bother to read its responses.

it's not even in the top ten based on OpenRouter https://openrouter.ai/rankings?view=month

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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> The Information reported on Thursday, citing two people with knowledge of the situation. I miss the old days of journalism, when they might feel inclined to let the reader know that their source for the indirect source is almost entirely funded by the fortune generated by a man who worked slavishly to become a close friend of the boss of one of DeepSeek’s main competitors (Meta). Feel bad for anyone who gets their…

I don't think it's well known that TI has FB CoIs. I didn't know myself until fairly recently. You can talk to a lot of people about this sort of stuff without anyone pointing it out.

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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> lack of GPU capacity due to export restrictions Human progress that benefits everyone being stalled by the few and powerful who want to keep their moats. Sad world we live in.

It's not about people wanting to keep it in moats. It's about China being expansionist, actively preparing to invade Taiwan, and generally becoming an increasing military threat that does not respect the national integrity of other states. The US is fine with other countries having AI if the countries "play nice" with others. Nobody is limiting GPU's in France or Thailand. This is very specific to China's behavior an…

or also there is an interpretation of State actions that says that a government serves itself first and foremost. Unfortunately this includes governments you like and also governments you do not like. Before rising to invective here, also consider that this is not new at all, since early Kingdoms were ruled by Kings and abuse of power was more common than not, so lots of present day politics around the entire world, do have alternates to simple depostic will.

So instead of splitting hairs about that description, lets highlight an idea that actually, millions of people doing millions of things per day consitutes its own system, despite what name you call it or who collects the taxes. Observing the actual behavior of that system ("data driven"?) has more benefits than hairsplitting of nomenclature for political studies.

Why bother writing this? because simplistic labels for government actions in international affairs is Step 2 of "brain-off" us versus them thinking.

Let's find ways to remove fuels from the fires of war. The stakes are too high. Third call to start thinking instead of invective here. Negotiation and trade are the tools. Name calling on those that work for "peace" is Step 2 again. IMHO

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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> If DeepSeek said May It is pretty strange that DeepSeek didn't say May anywhere, that was also a Reuters report based on "three people familiar with the company".[1] DeepSeek itself did not respond and did not make any claims about the timeline, ever. [1]: https://www.reuters.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/d...

Welcome to most China news. Many "well-documented" China "facts" are in fact cases like this: the media taking rumors or straight up fabricating things for clicks, and then self-referencing (or different media referencing each other in a circle) to put up the guise of reliable news. This is why we need to be critical of journalists nowadays. No longer are they the Fourth Column, protecting society and democracy by pr…

Not just "China news", unfortunately.

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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post #103
post #56

> The Information reported on Thursday, citing two people with knowledge of the situation. I miss the old days of journalism, when they might feel inclined to let the reader know that their source for the indirect source is almost entirely funded by the fortune generated by a man who worked slavishly to become a close friend of the boss of one of DeepSeek’s main competitors (Meta). Feel bad for anyone who gets their…

I don't think it's well known that TI has FB CoIs. I didn't know myself until fairly recently. You can talk to a lot of people about this sort of stuff without anyone pointing it out.

Absolutely. I think the FB CoI within American venture capital, where they have fully infested the LP and GP ranks of most funds, is a much bigger and more important story. It really helped me understand that we need to work really hard to keep the rest of the world’s capital markets free and open — a major focus for me these days.

You never know which stories The Information won’t run, or which “negative” articles are actually deflections. Similarly, you never know which amazing startups remain shut out of funding, and a lot of entrepreneurs have no idea about the amount of back channel collusion goes on in creating the funding rounds and “overnight successes” they’re told to idolize.

A random dude on HN such as me shouldn’t be the source of this knowledge. Hope someone takes up the cause, but we live in a time of astounding cowardice.

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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> lack of GPU capacity due to export restrictions Human progress that benefits everyone being stalled by the few and powerful who want to keep their moats. Sad world we live in.

It's not about people wanting to keep it in moats. It's about China being expansionist, actively preparing to invade Taiwan, and generally becoming an increasing military threat that does not respect the national integrity of other states. The US is fine with other countries having AI if the countries "play nice" with others. Nobody is limiting GPU's in France or Thailand. This is very specific to China's behavior an…

Nice media-led narrative.

The real reason is that the US cannot compete fairly

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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As Russian I only recently started to understand that russian government was at wars for a lot of its existence from USSR times: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia#... . Many invasions and wars in places Russia should have no business in. Most of them not publicized in the country. Unlike US it was not spreading liberal values of individual freedom and against violent dictatorships, actually…

> against violent dictatorships Then look up Latin America’s history, where the US actively worked to install and support such violent dictatorships. Some under the guise of protecting countries from the threat of communism - like Brazil, Argentina and Chile, and some explicitly to protect US company’s interests - like in Guatemala

Well, at least protecting Latin American countries from the threat of communism was a nice thing for us to do, wasn't it? Communism would certainly have done more harm than we did.

The lesson of present-day America is that democracy is too important to be left to the people.

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I don't know why this isn't the crux of our current geopolitical spat. Surely it would be cheaper and easier for the CCP to develop their own chipmaking capacity than going to war in the Taiwan strait?

China will not go to war in or over Taiwan sort of the USA doing its common narcissistic psychopathic thing of instigating, orchestrating, and agitating for aggression. It seems though that some parts of the world have started understanding how to defuse and counter the narcissistic, psychopathic abusive cabal that controls the USA and is constantly agitating for war, destruction, and world domination due to some sch…

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Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about people wanting to keep it in moats. It's about China being expansionist, actively preparing to invade Taiwan, and generally becoming an increasing military threat that does not respect the national integrity of other states. The US is fine with other countries having AI if the countries "play nice" with others. Nobody is limiting GPU's in France or Thailand. This is very specific to China's behavior an…

Nice media-led narrative. The real reason is that the US cannot compete fairly

What are you talking about
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