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Re: Matrix v1.15

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Post by nadir_ishiguro »

Arathorn wrote: post #78
justaj wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Matrix isn’t perfect but it has only improved in the 5 years I’ve been using it. I'd very much like to disagree. From the top of my head, in the past few years of using Element Web: - Notification center is now gone. - Room search is now only limited to official Matrix rooms. - At peak it consumes ~2.2 GB of RAM. - UI feels more sluggish by the day. - Loading it now takes ~10 minutes. - Using it as an IRC bouncer (…

> - Notification center is now gone. It's still there; it just got moved into Labs given it never worked in encrypted rooms, and having a flakey feature for new users was (correctly) considered worse than not having a feature at all. Go look for "Enable the notifications panel in the room header (Unreliable in encrypted rooms)" in Labs on develop.element.io or Element Nightly. > - Room search is now only limited to o…

Really appreciate your work and am thankful for matrix and element.

As a user of Element call via the desktop app, I found myself sometimes confused whether I was actually using the new implementation or the legacy version.

Has the move to encrypted calls happened on the non-element-x platforms? Is there a difference between group and one-on-one calls on those platforms?

Is Jitsi still in use anywhere?

Re: Matrix v1.15

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Post by pixxel »

Arathorn wrote: post #29
cpfiffer wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why exactly don't people use matrix that much? It strikes me as a reasonably good open, secure comms protocol.

One of the big problems is that folks judge Matrix based on the legacy Element apps, which have now been succeeded by Element X: https://element.io/blog/we-have-lift-off-element-x-call-and-... etc. Element X kicks ass, in my (very biased) opinion: it's a super-speedy Rust core with fancy SwiftUI and Compose native UI layered on top. It radically outperforms any other encrypted messenger i've used in terms of UI perf…

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Re: Matrix v1.15

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Post by btdmaster »

Arathorn wrote: post #100
btdmaster wrote: post #96

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Thanks a lot for chiming in! That's nice to hear it's better and improving. View from 1000 feet: maybe a way to lock a room's users would be interesting? So that new users in, say, a DM room do not get decryption keys for messages from the client. Something like a weaker form of "only send messages to verified users", where you could have a DM room with (at most) 2 people. Or, instead, maybe an option to disable forw…

> View from 1000 feet: maybe a way to lock a room's users would be interesting? That's a really interesting idea - having immutable memberships could be a good band-aid. The problem is that right now the fact that room membership is typically mutable can be valuable: you add assistants into DMs (human or virtual); you can bridge the DM to other platforms; you can add (benign) audit bots for compliance purposes; you c…

Thanks again for taking the time running me through these things.

> we are very mindful of the risk of not sharing existing history to the wrong users (or devices), which is one of the reasons it's taken so long to land.

It's great to hear these things are kept in mind going forward, should hopefully mean it's less hard to make protocol changes when they are needed.

Re: Matrix v1.15

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Post by nadir_ishiguro »

lifty wrote: post #64

Super happy to see matrix chug along. I’ve been self hosting dendrite home server for a long time but it doesn’t have sliding sync support, so can’t use the new modernized client. Anyone using conduit for self hosting and do you know if it works with the new client?

Maybe I'm confusing something, but I thought dendrite development had stopped due to budget concerns.

I see now that there were actually recent releases on github.

Re: Matrix v1.15

#105

Post by fanatic2pope »

zx8080 wrote: post #68
justaj wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Matrix isn’t perfect but it has only improved in the 5 years I’ve been using it. I'd very much like to disagree. From the top of my head, in the past few years of using Element Web: - Notification center is now gone. - Room search is now only limited to official Matrix rooms. - At peak it consumes ~2.2 GB of RAM. - UI feels more sluggish by the day. - Loading it now takes ~10 minutes. - Using it as an IRC bouncer (…

> Loading it now takes ~10 minutes. What?! How is this possible? How come users tolerate it at all?

Probably because it's hyperbole. I've been using element web for a long time and have not seen those kinds of issues. Not to say that it is perfect, there are definitely bugs.

Re: Matrix v1.15

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Post by DavideNL »

graynk wrote: post #99
DavideNL wrote: post #51

It baffles me that when you install the Element App (which uses matrix.org by default), you can not easily find any of your friends, because you cant “connect” your phone number… This makes the App a no-go for everyone and their grandmother. The registration and setup process was so cumbersome, even people with some tech knowledge in my friend circle had trouble getting it to work. Anyway, it seems so user hostile, w…

I genuinely can not understand if this is satire or not. Attaching everything to a phone number is the worst thing that happened to messaging.

The part you apparently don’t understand, is that this is (unfortunately) currently the reality: it’s what most people use now. We can’t expect everyone and their grandmother to switch to a perfect e2e alternative overnight.

Meanwhile, i need a way to communicate with everyone, preferably as secure as possible.

Re: Matrix v1.15

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Post by eviks »

alisonatwork wrote: post #41
7bit wrote: post #7

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I care for privacy. But there has to be a compromise between privacy and socializing otherwise we would all use letters with encrypted text, no?

Not really, because the security of letters is guaranteed by the state. The security of Discord is guaranteed by some private citizens based in the US. At least on paper the state exists for the benefit of the people. Discord exists for the benefit of investors who primarily seem to operate out of China and the US - foreign countries to me.

> At least on paper

But how is this relevant to a discussion of reality?

Re: Matrix v1.15

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Post by eviks »

graynk wrote: post #99
DavideNL wrote: post #51

It baffles me that when you install the Element App (which uses matrix.org by default), you can not easily find any of your friends, because you cant “connect” your phone number… This makes the App a no-go for everyone and their grandmother. The registration and setup process was so cumbersome, even people with some tech knowledge in my friend circle had trouble getting it to work. Anyway, it seems so user hostile, w…

I genuinely can not understand if this is satire or not. Attaching everything to a phone number is the worst thing that happened to messaging.

But you're not attaching everything to a phone number here, only ease of discovery
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