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Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by tuyguntn »

15155 wrote: post #44
jlebar wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who gets to define what is anti-American? Perhaps you think it's anti-American to believe that Israel is committing war crimes in Gaza. Perhaps I think it's anti-American to believe that the Jan 6 rioters should have been pardoned. Whose purity test should we apply?

We're talking about foreigners: if you are a guest in someone's country, home, wherever, you should be respectful and quiet. I don't want any foreigners contributing to any political activism whatsoever, regardless of ideology.

Why do you allow then foreign lobby groups?

Or why did you allow Elon to participate in elections, he was a foreigner at some point and he wasn't born in America?

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by hearsathought »

jan_Sate wrote: post #3

I don't get why the US thought that it'd be a good idea to vet social media accounts for visa applications. If someone's having ill intent, one could easily create a burner account and fill in some random content for the sake of getting thru the visa application. Or they could even just purchase an account somewhere on the internet. Sad to see what US has become.

> I don't get why the US thought that it'd be a good idea to vet social media accounts for visa applications.

Since almost all major social media companies are american, and all major social media/tech companies are state/defense companies, the US already "vets" social media accounts of foreigners and most likely americans as well.

This has nothing to do with "vetting" social media accounts. It's about scaring the world so that the world stops criticizing primarily israel.

If we really want to "vet" foreigners, we'd be doing it secretly so that bad actors feel free to expose themselves on social media. This does the exact opposite. It's about controlling the narrative and preventing criticism of israel.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by zug_zug »

15155 wrote: post #53
axus wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd certainly expect visitors to be held to the same standards as the natives. This is the problem, as a US citizen I don't want to be respectful and quiet, especially when I disagree with my government.

> I'd certainly expect visitors to be held to the same standards as the natives. Visitors are held to a higher standard than natives. Visitors do not have control, a vote, etc: they are temporarily permitted by the privilege of policy at the time. > as a US citizen I don't want to be respectful and quiet, especially when I disagree with my government. Good, don't be! You're not at risk of having a visa revoked or go…

Telling the US government it's broken is a favor to the US government. Freedom of speech is a gift to both the people of this country and the institution itself, helping it be pure and accountable. It's the force that prevents us from becoming like China.

Those who seek to stop that regulating force are undermining what makes America great. Where those voices of dissent were born isn't pertinent.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by absurdo »

hearsathought wrote: post #102
jan_Sate wrote: post #3

I don't get why the US thought that it'd be a good idea to vet social media accounts for visa applications. If someone's having ill intent, one could easily create a burner account and fill in some random content for the sake of getting thru the visa application. Or they could even just purchase an account somewhere on the internet. Sad to see what US has become.

> I don't get why the US thought that it'd be a good idea to vet social media accounts for visa applications. Since almost all major social media companies are american, and all major social media/tech companies are state/defense companies, the US already "vets" social media accounts of foreigners and most likely americans as well. This has nothing to do with "vetting" social media accounts. It's about scaring the wo…

> It's about scaring the world so that the world stops criticizing primarily israel.

You should back up this assertion with facts and evidence otherwise nobody will take it at face value and it will be categorized as drivel.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by logicchains »

mrtksn wrote: post #7

I was wondering if anyone hasn't started such a SaaS yet. Can have an effect of unauthentic MAGA + Israel accounts flooding the social media. However the issue is that it only works if your identity is linked to you, so for most people that would be very embarrassing. If Americans show flexibility to let you show your allegiance to USA and Israel through anonymous accounts they may be able to flood the social media w…

>However the issue is that it only works if your identity is linked to you, so for most people that would be very embarrassing

It could just take the Chinese social media approach of being right on the borderline of satire, but within the realms of what some people really do believe, so a border agent couldn't dismiss it as satire but anyone who knew the poster could.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by mixmastamyk »

Hilift wrote: post #69
jan_Sate wrote: post #3

I don't get why the US thought that it'd be a good idea to vet social media accounts for visa applications. If someone's having ill intent, one could easily create a burner account and fill in some random content for the sake of getting thru the visa application. Or they could even just purchase an account somewhere on the internet. Sad to see what US has become.

> why the US thought that it'd be a good idea to vet social media accounts for visa applications. The catalyst was the campus takeovers by people wearing masks and causing disruption for months. That was a gift for the Republicans, delivered on a silver platter. They made that an issue every day in Congress from October 7 2023 until November 5 2024. It coincided with the resignation of several university presidents.…

Who are the they/them in your last two paragraphs?

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

mandmandam wrote: post #57
DragonStrength wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is pretending this is about terrorism now. They're explicit this is about curbing political activism by foreign students. Some outside the US miss that because few countries would have given foreign students this much room for activism in the first place.

> They're explicit this is about curbing political activism by foreign students. Freedom of assembly is a universal human right; not that anyone seriously expects respect for those from the US any more.

> a universal human right

This concept has been dead outside Europe since at least the 1990s. (It never found purchase in Russia, China or India.)

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by padjo »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #51
danielktdoranie wrote: post #43

I completely support the vigorous vetting of non-citizen seeking entry into the U.S.A. For any non-citizens entering the U.S.A. is a privilege and not a right. They are guests in the U.S.A. and need to respect their host country and its laws. Regarding the auditing social media, it's not just about their posts, but who they are friends with and who are friends with them. Point and case, your personal social media pro…

It's not about terrorism. It's about keeping people with political views that don't align with Stephen Miller and Donald Trump out. This stuff is actively harming the US.

The drop in tourists from Western Europe certainly appears to be significant. Apparently the US is running a tourism deficit for the first time in a while.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by pkkkzip »

neom wrote: post #59

It's not just students btw... we're dealing it this too. My wife is a Korean university professor teaching at an American university, and her visa needs to be renewed by next month. I'm Canadian and she has residency in Canada but the Korean embassy in Canada advised her to travel back to Korea to renew it. She got back to Korea end of May to find that the US embassy in Korea had paused appointments. Monday last week…

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Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

#110

Post by JumpCrisscross »

absurdo wrote: post #104
hearsathought wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't get why the US thought that it'd be a good idea to vet social media accounts for visa applications. Since almost all major social media companies are american, and all major social media/tech companies are state/defense companies, the US already "vets" social media accounts of foreigners and most likely americans as well. This has nothing to do with "vetting" social media accounts. It's about scaring the wo…

> It's about scaring the world so that the world stops criticizing primarily israel. You should back up this assertion with facts and evidence otherwise nobody will take it at face value and it will be categorized as drivel.

It’s a green account whose entire comment history is railing on a single topic without ever citing sources. Flag and move on.
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