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Harper – an open-source alternative to Grammarly

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Re: Harper – an open-source alternative to Grammarly

#101

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Aight you win fam, I was trippin fr. You're absolutely bussin, no cap. Harvard should be taking notes. (^^ alien language that was developed in less than a decade)

I don't think anyone has the need to check such a message for grammar or spelling mistakes. Even then, I would not rely on a LLM to accurately track this "evolution of language".

What if you're writing emails to GenZers?

Re: Harper – an open-source alternative to Grammarly

#102

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Natural languages evolve so slowly that writing and editing rules for them is easily achievable even this way. Think years versus minutes.

Aight you win fam, I was trippin fr. You're absolutely bussin, no cap. Harvard should be taking notes. (^^ alien language that was developed in less than a decade)

The existence of common slang which isn't used in the sort of formal writing that grammar linting tools are typically designed to promote is more of a weakness of learning grammar by a weighted model of the internet vs formal grammatical rules than a strength.

Not an insurmountable problem, ChatGPT will use "aight fam" only in context-sensitive ways and will remove it if you ask to rephrase to sound more like a professor, but RHLFing slang into predictable use is likely a bigger potential challenge than simply ensuring the word list of an open source program is sufficiently up to date to include slang whose etymology dates back to the noughties or nineties, if phrasing things in that particular vernacular is even a target for your grammar linting tool...

Re: Harper – an open-source alternative to Grammarly

#104
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> Please share your reasoning that led you to this conclusion -- that natural language "evolves slowly". Languages are used to successfully communicate. To achieve this, all parties involved in the communication must know the language well enough to send and receive messages. This obviously includes messages that transmit changes in the language, for instance, if you tried to explain to your parents the meaning of th…

Fair enough, thanks for replying. I don't see the task of specifying a grammar as straightforward as you do, perhaps. I guess I just didn't understand the chain of comments. I find that clear-cut, rigid rules tend to be the least helpful ones in writing. Obviously this class of rule is also easy/easier to represent in software, so it also tends to be the source of false positives and frustration that lead me to disab…

Just because the rules aren’t set fully in stone, or can be bent or broken, doesn’t mean they don’t “exist” - perhaps not the way mathematical truths exist, but there’s something there.

Even these few posts follow innumerable “rules” which make it easier to (try) to communicate.

Perhaps what you’re angling against is where rules of language get set it stone and fossilized until the “Official” language is so diverged from the “vulgar tongue” that it’s incomprehensibly different.

Like church/legal Latin compared to Italian, perhaps. (Fun fact - the Vulgate translation of the Bible was INTO the vulgar tongue at the time: Latin).

Re: Harper – an open-source alternative to Grammarly

#105

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I don't think anyone has the need to check such a message for grammar or spelling mistakes. Even then, I would not rely on a LLM to accurately track this "evolution of language".

What if you're writing emails to GenZers?

As a zoomer, I'd rather not receive emails that sound like they're written by a moron.

Re: Harper – an open-source alternative to Grammarly

#106

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I don't think anyone has the need to check such a message for grammar or spelling mistakes. Even then, I would not rely on a LLM to accurately track this "evolution of language".

What if you're writing emails to GenZers?

Attempting to write like a GenZ when you’re not gets you “hello fellow kids” and “Boomer” right away.

Re: Harper – an open-source alternative to Grammarly

#107

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why did you use chatgpt for this text then?

I can write em-dashes on my keyboard in one second using the compose key: right alt + ---

Same here — the compose key is so convenient you forget most people never heard of it. This em-dashes mean LLM output thing is getting annoying though.

Re: Harper – an open-source alternative to Grammarly

#108

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Yes, precisely. This "less than a decade" is magnitudes above the hours or days that it would take to manually add those words and idioms to proper dictionaries and/or write new grammar rules to accomodate aspects like skipping "g" in continuous verbs to get "bussin" or "bussin'" instead of "bussing". Thank you for illustrating my point. Also, it takes at most few developers to write those rules into a grammar checki…

Not exactly. It takes time for those words to become mainstream for a generation. While you'd have to manually add those words in dictionaries, LLMs can learn these words on the fly, based on frequency of usage.

At this point we're already using different definitions of grammar and vocabulary - are they discrete (as in a rule system, vide Harper) or continuous (as in a probability, vide LLMs). LLMs, like humans, can learn them on the fly, and, like humans, they'll have problems and disagreements judging whether something should be highlighted as an error or not.

Or, in other words: if you "just" want a utility that can learn speech on the fly, you don't need a rigid grammar checker, just a good enough approximator. If you want to check if a document contains errors, you need to define what an error is, and then if you want to define it in a strict manner, at that point you need a rule engine of some sort instead of something probabilistic.

Re: Harper – an open-source alternative to Grammarly

#109

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Aight you win fam, I was trippin fr. You're absolutely bussin, no cap. Harvard should be taking notes. (^^ alien language that was developed in less than a decade)

The existence of common slang which isn't used in the sort of formal writing that grammar linting tools are typically designed to promote is more of a weakness of learning grammar by a weighted model of the internet vs formal grammatical rules than a strength. Not an insurmountable problem, ChatGPT will use "aight fam" only in context-sensitive ways and will remove it if you ask to rephrase to sound more like a profe…

Huh, this is the first time I've seen "noughties" used to describe the first decade of the 2000s. Slightly amusing that it's surely pronounced like "naughties". I wonder if it'll catch on and spread.

Re: Harper – an open-source alternative to Grammarly

#110
post #13

"Me and Jennifer went to have seen the ducks cousin." No errors detected. So this needs a lot of rule contributions to get to Grammarly level.

Goes the other way around too. For

> In large, this is _how_ anything crawler-adjacent tends to be

It suggests

> In large, this is how _to_ anything crawler-adjacent tends to be

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