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US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Canada is an independent country and not under the stewardship of the British.

Charles III is the king of Canada, which is part of the Commonwealth.

The fact that they share a head of state is irrelevant? If it was relevant, you could equally make the claim that Britain is under the "stewardship" of the Canadians. I think the British would be surprised to hear that!

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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What's your definition of fascist and what is your argument that Meloni's party is fascist? I'm not arguing or disagreeing with you -- genuinely curious about your perspective. The most damning bit in her Wikipedia article is this: "In 1992 Meloni joined the Youth Front, the youth wing of the Italian Social Movement (MSI), a neo-fascist political party founded in 1946 by followers of Italian fascism. She later became…

> various organizations that were originally founded by fascists then later moderated (roughly similar to the French FN/RN). The reason those journalists were targeted is because they infiltrated one of those organizations and found that they were in fact still very much fascist behind closed doors (or at the very least racist and antisemitic).

Racist doesn't mean fascist, but you can't be fascist without being racist.

As long as the executive doesn't control the judges, or insist on carrying a two speed justice, you can't really be fascist country.

Ergo a fascist party is one which is at least nationalist, if not ethnonationalist, and insist on curbing the rule of law : X should be less equal than Y in front of the law (assuming the same social class).

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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> -The bald eagle that is also the only country in history to have nuked two civilian cities.

It was this or invade which would have easily resulted in more casualties. Pretending the US just nuked them when the other option was nothing is childish.

> - Its best friend, the country that's commiting a genocide in 2025 and that you cannot criticize.

Ongoing wars in 2025 and casualty numbers according to Grok:

- Russia-Ukraine War: Estimated 500,000–1,000,000 deaths

- Syrian Civil War: ~400,000–600,000 deaths

- Ethiopian Civil War: ~300,000–600,000 deaths

- Yemeni Civil War: ~233,000–377,000 deaths

- Myanmar Civil War: ~150,000–200,000 deaths

- Sahel Region Conflicts (post-Libya crisis, jihadist insurgencies in Mali, Niger, Burkina Faso, Nigeria, etc.): ~100,000–200,000 deaths.

- Sudan Civil War: ~61,000–100,000 deaths

- Israel-Hamas War: ~50,000–70,000 deaths

Calling the Israel Hamas war a genocide doesn't hold up. Trying to claim that you can't criticize Israel on the internet is ridiculous.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Just a small part of the biggest spy network ever invented, which is woven into practically all software and tech infrastructure we use in the West and backed by large corporations with ties to that small country.

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Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Headlines are written by the publisher not the author. They’re written to maximize readership. The fact that spying happened in italy by italians is mostly only interesting to italians. The fact that the US backs an israeli company that sells spying tools is interesting to many more people. You can see the selling clicks, but because they’re not twisting the truth or saying something misleading - in this case I mostl…

However, the fact that companies sell offensive cyber warfare software to governments is not new, and that specific company isn't either. There's also nothing inherently wrong with selling intelligence tools to a western government, Italy is not Iran or Zambia. And fighting terror or crime using software is valid. The only thing that surprises me is that a western government might attack journalists, and what I'd lik…

>"There's also nothing inherently wrong with selling intelligence tools to a western government"

The king can do no wrong. What a pinnacle of arrogance.

>"The only thing that surprises me is that a western government might attack journalists"

Welcome to a real world

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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> -The bald eagle that is also the only country in history to have nuked two civilian cities. It was this or invade which would have easily resulted in more casualties. Pretending the US just nuked them when the other option was nothing is childish. > - Its best friend, the country that's commiting a genocide in 2025 and that you cannot criticize. Ongoing wars in 2025 and casualty numbers according to Grok: - Russia-…

>It was this or invade which would have easily resulted in more casualties.

There was no need to invade: as long as the naval blockade continued, Japan wouldn't get enough fossil fuels and other resources to threaten anyone. They probably would've been lucky to avoid mass starvation.

--and Washington knew that when it decided to nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but it also knew that the Soviets wanted invade Northern Japan: Stalin had already "offered to help out" in this way.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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> -The bald eagle that is also the only country in history to have nuked two civilian cities. It was this or invade which would have easily resulted in more casualties. Pretending the US just nuked them when the other option was nothing is childish. > - Its best friend, the country that's commiting a genocide in 2025 and that you cannot criticize. Ongoing wars in 2025 and casualty numbers according to Grok: - Russia-…

Israel-Palestine war stats is really off, because the Palestinian officials also include natural deaths in those stats (8,000 per year in Gaza). So the total is more like 40,000-50,000, and most are combatants.

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However, the fact that companies sell offensive cyber warfare software to governments is not new, and that specific company isn't either. There's also nothing inherently wrong with selling intelligence tools to a western government, Italy is not Iran or Zambia. And fighting terror or crime using software is valid. The only thing that surprises me is that a western government might attack journalists, and what I'd lik…

An incredible self awareness for you to write “There's also nothing inherently wrong with selling intelligence tools to a western government, Italy is not Iran or Zambia”. I wonder how Iran or Zambia feel about the west? The overthrow of their democracy. The colonial exploitations. Are those legit grievances in your eyes? Or are you a “take up the white mans burden” kind of person?

I don't know how Iran feels about the west, but I for one am not keen about them hanging homosexuals on cranes, cutting hands of thieves, raping protestors in prison or taking random european tourist number 300 hostage in order to make finland cave-in on something.

You might think the above is morally equivalent with whatever the state of Italy is doing, but I believe some governments and some cultures are better than others. Not because they are superior humans, but because human organizations and actions can be compared one to another, and there is at least for me, places I'd rather live in, and places I wouldn't

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Yeah I forgot that Europe wasn’t involved in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Oh get off it. We all know who pushed for the invasions. We all know who operated the black sites.

And the European countries that did get their noses into Iraq (Poland, UK) were mostly doing so to curry favour with the Americans. And the ones who didn't were famously lambasted and attacked (huge anti-French sentiment, "freedom fries", all that garbage.)
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