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Benchmarks suggest this model loses to Deepseek-R1 in every one-shot comparison. Considering they were likely not even pitting it against the newer R1 version (no mention of that in the article) and at more than double the cost, this looks like the best AI company in the EU is struggling to keep up with the state-of-the-art.
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Europe isn't going to catch up in tech as long as its market is open to US tech giants. Tech doesn't have marginal costs, so you want to have one of it in one place and sell it everywhere and when the infra and talent is already in US, EU tech is destined to do niche products. UK has a bit of it, France has some and that's it. The only viable alternatives are countries who have issues with US and that is China and Ru…
The problem is, CONSUMER level tech The EU is doing a lot of enterprise level shit and it's great The biggest company in Europe sells B2B software (SAP)
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And, perhaps most relevantly, the regulatory environment the people are working in. French people working in America are probably more productive than French people working in France (if for no other reason because they probably work more hours in America than France).
Most measures of productivity have "hours worked" in the denominator so that can't be right.
There's a numerator too.
Good first shot i guess, but the small ones about as good as v3, and the mediums not quite as good as r1... i wonder if that r1 is the actual new one or the old one
The Deepseek V3 is a model with 671 billion parameters, of which 37 billion are active. Magistral Small is a 24 billion parameter model. Pretty impressive in terms of efficiency for Mistral. The size of the Magistral Medium is not publicly available, so it is difficult to compare efficiency there.
FWIW one of their 70B models has leaked in the past (search for "miqu") and rumors at the time were that it was their medium model.
Is the number of em-dashes in this marketing copy indicative of the kind of output that the model produces? If so, might want to tone it down a bit.
Benchmarks suggest this model loses to Deepseek-R1 in every one-shot comparison. Considering they were likely not even pitting it against the newer R1 version (no mention of that in the article) and at more than double the cost, this looks like the best AI company in the EU is struggling to keep up with the state-of-the-art.
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EDIT: The comment below got flagged to death, so I'm going to link my evidence up here for visibility: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44238841
Not only does the top-level comment make no mention of the US, but their comment history is strongly suggestive that they themselves are European, not US-based.
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If you close off the market to US tech giants, maybe they'll have some amount of market dominance at home, but I would doubt that would mean they've "caught up" tech wise. There would be no incentive to compete. American EV manufacturing is pretty far behind Chinese EV manufacturing, protectionism didn't help make a competitive car, it just protected the home market while slowly ceding international market after inte…
As a counterexample, China's tech industry has caught up and in some ways surpassed the US, partially due to being closed off.
- Regulatory friendliness (eg. DJI)
- Non-enforcement of foreign patents (eg. LiFePO4 batteries)
- Technology transfer through partnerships with domestic firms
- Government support for industries deemed to be in the national interest
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Money. No, really - EU doesn't have the VCs and the megacorps. People laugh at EU sponsoring projects, but there is no private money to sponsor them. There are plenty of US companies with sites in the EU though, so you have people working the problems, but no branding.
Ok, just a quick question… why does Europe not have the money actual/people?
Longer term: cultural and language divisions despite attempts at creating a common market, not running the global reserve currency/military hegemony, social democracies encouraging work-life balance over cutthroat careerism, demographic issues, not getting a boost from being the only consumer economy not to be leveled in WW2, etc.
Benchmarks suggest this model loses to Deepseek-R1 in every one-shot comparison. Considering they were likely not even pitting it against the newer R1 version (no mention of that in the article) and at more than double the cost, this looks like the best AI company in the EU is struggling to keep up with the state-of-the-art.
are you really going to compare a 24B model to a 700B+ model?
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It gets pretty tiresome when people automatically take something as pro-US jingoism without stopping to think for a second about what they're saying. The model they're comparing to is Chinese , not American. How can you possibly construe OP's comment as pro-US? EDIT: The comment below got flagged to death, so I'm going to link my evidence up here for visibility: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44238841 Not only…