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Re: VPN providers in France ordered to block pirate sports IPTV

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Post by GoblinSlayer » Sun, Jun 08, 2025, 3:23 PM UTC

SpecialistK wrote: post #80

freedomben wrote: post #79

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Same (though s/plex/jellyfin/g). I was a long time subscriber to CBS (now Paramount+) and many others, but I've slowly cancelled them all as their quality is utter shit, and now they've started rolling ads even at the high paid tier. Using an unmodded Chromecast w/ Google TV on a stock TV, I couldn't get Paramount+ to stream any of the newer Star Trek without falling back into a horrifically obnoxious constant shift…

I probably would have moved to Jellyfin if they had an Xbox app available at the time (I see they re-launched it a month and a half ago now...) but alas, the main thing is that my media is mine to enjoy when and how I wish without needing to jump through any DRM hoops or ads or multiple services. I still have Prime as a "bonus", though I wouldn't pay if it was removed because I only use it for The Grand Tour. Netflix…

Shouldn't you cancel it the first time you fell asleep?

Re: VPN providers in France ordered to block pirate sports IPTV

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Post by const_cast » Sun, Jun 08, 2025, 8:33 PM UTC

Dylan16807 wrote: post #99

const_cast wrote: post #98

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Yes, this exactly. I don't know how people keep missing this. There's no rule anywhere saying we have to treat computer programs as if they're humans and extend them the same rights. Why would we do that? Says who? Also, we don't do that, not with AI. We're not talking about paying AI for their labor, or giving them digital housing or something. We only care about the human rights we can extract profits from, other t…

I don't know about that slavery argument. If you had a human slave doing unpaid paintings, they would still have the full benefit of a fair use defense. I don't think there's any "trying to have it both ways" with AI in this context. Copyright and labor laws are very different concepts.

> Copyright and labor laws are very different concepts.

I agree, with the similarity of course that both concepts are explicitly related to humans. Not machines or programs.

If we want to extend these concepts to machines or programs we can, but that's naturally complicated and there's a lot of questions about that. That, to me, needs to be a deliberate thing we do - not some foregone conclusion like people treat it. I mean, these people talk about AI fair-use as if it's obvious. It's not even obvious for humans...

Re: VPN providers in France ordered to block pirate sports IPTV

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Post by space_firmware » Tue, Jun 10, 2025, 4:18 PM UTC

isodev wrote: post #23

space_firmware wrote: post #9

Really great that European courts have created all the legal tools for authoritarian control of the internet in the future, to prevent the scourge of watching sports streaming without paying. Before this, it was much easier for ISPs / DNS providers / VPN providers to push back against governments wanting to censor the internet because the companies wouldn't have the tools installed to do this kind of blocking. The co…

Is it just Europe though? Have you tried uploading something on YouTube including a remote semblance of a melody from a song? Or accessing porn in some parts of the US? And then there are the App Stores and walled gardens regulating apps, content and really every aspect of one’s digital life.

Yeah you're right this didn't originate here, it is part of a continuum. What is different is before you had to go directly to the website owner with the content (porn blocking in various states, online gambling blocking, copyright on youtube) instead of going to the infrastructure providers and requiring they stop letting a user go to that site. The VPN and DNS provider requirements in Europe are new for Western country internet. OpenDNS pulled out of many European countries rather than comply.