A deep dive into self-improving AI and the Darwin-Gödel Machine • Hacker News Board

Re: A deep dive into self-improving AI and the Darwin-Gödel Machine

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Post by Grimblewald » Fri, Jun 06, 2025, 5:00 AM UTC

mulmen wrote: post #66

auggierose wrote: post #19

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That is not true. There are plenty of ways not to reproduce and still to perpetuate your genetics. For example, if you don't have children of your own, but support people that have similar genetic traits to your own.

If they aren’t your children they aren’t your genes.

so your parents genes aren't your genes? cool. We don't have to worry about hereditary diseases any more gang!

Re: A deep dive into self-improving AI and the Darwin-Gödel Machine

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Post by robwwilliams » Wed, Jun 11, 2025, 10:02 PM UTC

auggierose wrote: post #19

mulmen wrote: post #15

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There is no "gaming the system" in Darwinian evolution. You reproduce or you don't. There's no way to fail reproduction and still perpetuate your genetics.

That is not true. There are plenty of ways not to reproduce and still to perpetuate your genetics. For example, if you don't have children of your own, but support people that have similar genetic traits to your own.

This is sometimes referred to as the “grandmother effect” in sexually reproducing species. The evidence in favor i still weak even in humans due to our low effective population size. I am not sure that there is good empirical support in other species, even eusocial insects.

Re: A deep dive into self-improving AI and the Darwin-Gödel Machine

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Post by robwwilliams » Wed, Jun 11, 2025, 10:32 PM UTC

kevinventullo wrote: post #98

mulmen wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they aren’t your children they aren’t your genes.

Not true. Nieces and nephews share ~25% of your genes.

Yes, but population genetics is complicated. Selection pressure does not operate well wgen effective population sample sizes are small and when environments are noisy. Evolutionary drift is a major force. Supporting a cousin or three will not gain your genes much.